25 replies to this topic

[hoju]

I just want to hear peoples opinions on this

I myself think it is true.

[Magma]

I gotta agree with you there hoju. Although peoples actions or habits may change, the true face behind the mask doesnt. Those 3 words are very true, in my opinion.

[MishL]

Well, it depends on what we are talking about.

I believe that, in general, it is possible for people to change, but they rarely rarely do.

Like habits are easy to change/break. But personality is hard to change. There is still a chance though.

[hoju]

I'm talking about personality, not how they dress/what they eat.

[Archon]

Ever see that movie 18 blocks? People change.

Honestly, I think they can, personality, viewpoints, standards. Ive seen it all happen.

[MishL]

Exactly, personality has a possiblity to change. Well, I think so.

But not without major hard work.

[hoju]

Ever see that movie 18 blocks? People change.

Honestly, I think they can, personality, viewpoints, standards. Ive seen it all happen.

Movies are different from real life

Edit: I'm not saying it's not true, I'm just saying they're different

Edited by hoju, 05 June 2006 - 01:53 PM.

[Hydrogen]

They do change . The word never is an absolute and so with one counter example the whole debate is lost . I have that counter example . Me . I changed a lot from last year . Therefore, people do change...

change is a very slow process. maybe this is why this saying is present that people never change. the process is too slow to be observed. but it happens . Trust me it happens

[Archon]

Indeed they are Hoju, 18 Blocks was just an excellent movie.

[Bryan]

There are no definites in society. With that poorly worded statement, a debate isn't possible. You can't argue debate with absolutes, because then it isn't an argument.

[Tetiel]

Some things change and some things stay the same. For example today compared to the 50s there are a lot less racists in the world (thank God...).

However some things stay the same. If memory serves Plato (or was it Aristotle?) complained about how the generation after him was so obsessed with sex, immoral, lazy brats, etc. Sound familiar?

But as far as personality... in a society you'll have your angels and you'll have your demons. It's like a bell curve though. The extremes are few and far between.

[hoju]

There are no definites in society. With that poorly worded statement, a debate isn't possible. You can't argue debate with absolutes, because then it isn't an argument.

I did happen to say 'I just want to hear peoples opinions on this'
So please leave my topic and don't come back again with your little argument

[Grizzly]

I believe in the complete opposite. People always and constantly change and its impossible for someone not to. We're constantly influenced by our environment and our peers.. and since our environment and our peers are always changing.. we are forcibly as well.

Wow.. I can't get any more vague than that.

[Darkness]

It all depends on the person. Some people change so much, some people never do. It's the person that determines the change, and it's thier choice really.

[Lemonblood]

I think people change, I've changed.

[Lawivido]

I don't think it's possible to do a full 180. Just my opinion though.

I think people change, I've changed.

How've you changed?

[Bill]

I strongly disagree with that statement. People can change, although it solely depends on the amount of effort that person puts into changing and the circumstances. For example, if someone is in a not-so-wealthy position, he is pushed to survive by any means. That in mind, it is more likely that he would be a crook or pickpocket than a wealthier person.

Also, there are more subtle, realistic examples. If someone is expected to become a great, it is very likely that they might be dishonest and do whatever it takes to achieve their expectations.

[Noitidart]

No way i think people change totally. I mean look at people on codex we've changed. So many of us it's crazy. I think people change and drastically too, well they can lol

[Fox]

I think it's possible to change if you want to change and I think it's possible to change subconsciously in reaction to different situations.

However, what I do think is impossible - I think that you absolutely can't change other people.

[Stryyp]

I am not sure. I think in the deepest recesses of their mental body, they always have something there that may, or may not be what they are now. My sister could be used as an example. She always had an addictive personality, but she was also a straight-A student and never did anything wrong. She went off to college and took a single drink, and now she is an alcoholic, redneck piece of white trash. That shows that the addictive personality was always there, but it just needed something to move in on. So... Is that considered changing? Phooey... I've gone and confused myself xD

[Bryan]

I did happen to say 'I just want to hear peoples opinions on this'
So please leave my topic and don't come back again with your little argument

I'm going to play the trend-setter, and not make an argument about how you can't own a topic.

Sure, you happened to say 'I just want to hear people's opinons on this'. Whoopdie-fucking-do. Why post this in the Debate Forum? Well here's the answer Einstein, you wanted to initiate a debate.

You did hear my fucking opinion, and apparently you found it offensive, which makes no sense, because you post this in a debate forum... I gave my opinion, and I'll repeat it again.

A debate is impropable when the question declares an absolute. A debate is (as Webster defines)

To engage in argument by discussing opposing points

. When you use absolutes, there are no opposing points. All one has to do is have some 6 year old say "derr, I dun changedereded" and your "debate" falls to shambles.

And how dare you even have the audacity to post such a stupid reply. If you get pissed because I make a valid point, then me and you aren't going to get along. And to ask me to leave and not to come back with an argument IN A fucking DEBATE FORUM (nonetheless) is one of the most asinine statement I've read on Codex.

[Stryyp]

Zaiban, is it really that much of a problem that he posted it in the wrong section? If it were in general chat it probably would have gotten moved here anyway because people have created opposing points.

Sure, he was a bit rude to you in his reply, the one you say is so asinine, but in his defense you went about saying this wasn't a debate in a poor manner. Lets just say it could have been executed alot better than it was.

[Bryan]

Maybe I was a little bitchy in saying the statement was poorly worded, but I don't think it needed a response. I was just giving my opinion, that the question that was asked cannot be answered. If I seem a little irritated/bitchy, well I'm sorry, and hoju or anyone else can PM me and I'll edit out my post.

All I'm going to close with, is that I never said he posted in the wrong section. He gave a smartass reply back to me and gave an example to counter it.

[Fatal]

People do change, iv personally seen it in my self a lot the past 3 years...

[hoju]

I'm going to play the trend-setter, and not make an argument about how you can't own a topic.

Sure, you happened to say 'I just want to hear people's opinons on this'. Whoopdie-fucking-do. Why post this in the Debate Forum? Well here's the answer Einstein, you wanted to initiate a debate.

You did hear my fucking opinion, and apparently you found it offensive, which makes no sense, because you post this in a debate forum... I gave my opinion, and I'll repeat it again.

A debate is impropable when the question declares an absolute. A debate is (as Webster defines) . When you use absolutes, there are no opposing points. All one has to do is have some 6 year old say "derr, I dun changedereded" and your "debate" falls to shambles.

And how dare you even have the audacity to post such a stupid reply. If you get pissed because I make a valid point, then me and you aren't going to get along. And to ask me to leave and not to come back with an argument IN A fucking DEBATE FORUM (nonetheless) is one of the most asinine statement I've read on Codex.

Well, it seems as though it as turned into a swearing contest for you?
Do you fell all big and bad now that you said a bad word? I sure would
And it also seems you're the one who is offended.

Yes, I was offended by what you said, and only the part where you said
'With that poorly worded statement, a debate isn't possible. You can't argue debate with absolutes, because then it isn't an argument.'

I was completely fine with the opinion you gave. I just worded what I said wrong.

And one last thing I have to say. You sure do like doing research for a small little thing I said, I would never go out of my way just to prove something to a person unless it really meant something important to me .

But anywho I would like this topic to be closed, thank you

Oh, and I do accept your apology