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[Amagius]

I AM AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY. Haha.

I think the poll should rather be who is against homosexual marriage, as that's the new hot topic. Being against homosexuality is like being against a hibicus plant.

Due to the the fiscal and emotional attractions of marriage, I think its perfectly fine. Homosexuality doesn't frighten me -- I have no fear for my bum.

He said it right. I was comparing them only to point out that if we can cure something as "sick" and "disgusting" as rapists, why can't we cure homosexuality? That's the thing, we can. People just don't want to have it cured, they rather here that it's uncurable so they can keep doing it.

Homosexuality and rape are totally different. Rape is, firstly, an aggressive act upon another unwilling member. Secondly, homosexuality is a term for attraction of a certain gender -- Rape does not involve gender at all, just hate.

Secondly, I have a question: Did you have to be told that you are supposed to like women before you became attracted to them? I hardly think anyone needs to be told if they find a man or woman attractive. You cannot cure homosexuality, because it is not a diease or bad thing. There is NO reason to "cure" homosexuality, besides the choking tethers of Christianity that attempt to regulate the lives of the general populace.

Edited by Amagius, 24 June 2006 - 09:44 PM.

[Frizzle]

You're just a hippy.

[Amagius]

You're just a hippy.

Peace, love, and acid -- any problem with that?

[Justin]

AliasXNeo, your religion states that no sex between two men, right? So no sex, whether oral, etc.

But have you ever realized that so many relationships aren't about sex?

Are you implying it's impossible for you to be in love without shoving your dick into some females vagina? If so, you're demented, and it's no wonder if you'll be alone for the rest of your life.

[Amagius]

You are saying we don't have a right to try and do what we think is right? Boy have you got a lot to learn about life. They got their little gay pride groups, and we have our anti-gay groups.

After reading that, I perused my previous previous post looking for any hint of me suggesting that you can't do what you think is right. Couldn't find it. People have the right to try and do what they think is right. That is, in essense, why homosexuality is allowed and homosexual marriages should also be allowed.

The difference between gay pride groups and anti-gay groups like yourself is that your group attempts to inhibit rights, while the other does not. I think you are the one who needs to learn alot about life in this case.

Why people see one as evil, and the other not, is beyond me, but this has been happening for years. People always hating the judeo-christians. Just look at liberals

We have many reasons. See above for one.

Anyways, I see what they are doing as wrong. I also see is as curable, because I know friends who were once in the claws of the gays and finally got out of it. Just one day finally listened to me and now he is doing better then ever, doesn't even think about it he says. Now, tell me it's not curable =/

Congratulations, you have a friend whose tastes changed. Sure, it's curable. It's not like I can say you can't cure it at this point. From your perspective, we can cure happiness too. We can cure joy. Yay!

And what I believe about that woman comparison? Not that you care, but the bible does mention that men will lust for eachother, instead of woman. Meaning, they'll start "loving" men, it then also preceeds to say it's wrong. That's my view on that point.

I have gone to a Christian school all my life, studied the Bible my whole life, and still go to a Christian school. I do happen to care what is says. It's interesting. I don't believe a damn bit, but it's interesting.

Anyways, I'm well aware that homosexuality is considered wicked. Interestingly enough, America does not equal "absolutist Christian land" and America does not require the exact moral codes of the Bible to be transferred over. Marriage is now a state-based affair. Hate gay people as much as you want and attempt to "cure" them, but not allowing them to marry is inhibiting them from rights that heterosexual men and women get. It's not fair, and while fairs are for tourists, we can attempt to be as fair as possible.

And once again, when I compared to rape I was reffering to men raping men, or child molestores molesting same gender children. They have been rehabilitated, just google it, or try wikipedia. I don't see why a homosexual couldn't do the same.

I understand this. Not the point. Rape is an act of violence and is against the law. Homosexuality is not. There is no point for someone, when compared to societary standards to say, "ONOZ! I'm gay! I need help!" Only Christian standards.

[Frizzle]

AliasXNeo, your religion states that no sex between two men, right? So no sex, whether oral, etc.

But have you ever realized that so many relationships aren't about sex?

Are you implying it's impossible for you to be in love without shoving your dick into some females vagina? If so, you're demented, and it's no wonder if you'll be alone for the rest of your life.

Acutally it forbids any homosexual acts, such as kissing oral sex and so forth, but many different parts of christianty look on it a different way.

Many christians believe that homosexual thoughts are alright, as long as you don't act on them, so believe that any part of homosexuality is wrong, including thoughts etc, and some believe that homosexuality should be embraced, not shunned.

[ShadowLink64]

My stance above is "For", mostly because I'm not one to deliberately go against something that doesn't really affect me. If they want to do certain acts, then they can go right ahead (who am I to say they can't?).

Of course putting "For" doesn't mean I'll avidly advocate it or anything in a picket.

[Justin]

I'm sorry, but where did I mention sex? "Lust" is not sex, try dictionary.com.

Man should not lie with man, if you want the exact text.

[Amagius]

I was influenced by the "Gay Marriage" debate, and merged that into this. Since this is only a moralistic poll, there isn't anything for me to really debate about. Sorry for the wrong subject.

[/Max]

I'm sorry, but you're heading way off topic actually. All I said is that I was against homosexuality. You, somehow, are interpreting that I think the world should be bent and twisted to fit christian laws. I have no idea where you gathered this thought, but you need to stop because I already know that homosexuality IS going to be accepted sometime in the near future. I don't care what the state our country does, my job is to tell them it's wrong. They can make it legal, sure, it's just going to make it a little harder for me, but it doesn't really effect my job. The first post in this topic, all I said was I was against it.
I'm not taking any rights away, technically I have no such power. I don't care about their rights, let them have it, i'm just totally against the idea. As I said above, it doesn't matter if it becomes normal, i'm still going to be against it.
I'm just making sure you don't believe that someone is born with Homosexuality, and can never be cured, because A they don't get born with it, and B as you see in my last post, it can be cured.
Once again, you have to understand that just because i'm against it, does not mean i'm fighting tooth and nail to inhibit all their rights. I don't support them, and I don't deny them. I do not care because no matter what happens, it's still a sin in my eyes and i'll always be against it. Make sure you read the first part of this post a few times, because you're assuming to much about me.
Where did you quote that from? I'm talking about romans, chaper 2 I believe. Want me to quote the verse?

It's in Leviathan, the quote of men lying with men.

[nox]

What about people who are neutral? I.E People like me who just don't give a shit if someone likes a bit of bum fun more then the next lad.

heh. bum fun.

for.

[Vanessa]

I voted against. But I'm kinda in the middle.

I don't like it because it's disgusting, whenever I see people of the same gender kissing or showing real love for each other, it makes me sick.

But then again, it's their choice and it's okay as long as they stay away from me.

I'm really against it if they get married. Because that's just plain stupid. Two homosexuals can live to together as a couple - that's fine with me.. But marriage is just too far. And when two gay people adopt children, I really feel sad for that child.

The child would get teased in school and the child would have a hard time understanding. It sounds terrible when a young child says "I have two dads/mothers!". And for Mothers' Day and Fathers' Day, what are they gonna do? :blink:

[Amagius]

I intended to not post anymore because I finally realized that this is a homosexuality poll instead of homosexual marriage, but I found a few things.

I'm really against it if they get married. Because that's just plain stupid.

You have got to have something better than that. Please tell me there is something better than that.

The child would get teased in school and the child would have a hard time understanding.

A responsible parent will teach their child about their unique relationship long before it comes up in a school. Anyways, all adopted children go through situations like that, but with a supportive family and teachers, it will be very fine.

It sounds terrible when a young child says "I have two dads/mothers!".

Not really. That's very subjective. You are making every kid overly self-conscious to make these statements.

And for Mothers' Day and Fathers' Day, what are they gonna do? :blink:

What about children whose mom or dad died? What if your parents are divorced and one is far away? Hard to celebrate one of those days then.

All of your statements require a very self-conscious kid, when, if a child is just taught that that it does matter if you have two male parents or if you female parents, because raising children is about showing love and raising them to become functional parts of our society. You are babying the hypothetical children to make a point.

[avye]

I'm fine with homosexuals so long as they don't go after me...I guess that's why I chose against. But, if there was a neutral choice, I'd pick that

[ArchAngel.]

I am strongly against Gays...
I don't think it's meant to be. It isn't natural. You don't go out and see two lions screwing each other regularly. The majority of the people are "designed" to go out an like the opposite sex, and there are those few people that are "born" being gay. Just because there are those few people that are born like that, doesn't mean that it is an ideal that is okay. If you think those few people is normal, then its like saying that the minority of the people that are born retarded is okay. There are always going to be genetic mutations and diseases people are born with. If you are okay with the minority of "gay" people, then you are saying that the diseases that people are born with are okay. You are saying that mentally at all, just hate.[/quote]challenged people shouldn't be cured, because it's okay. For all we know, being gay is a disease of the mind that we could fix with a simple poke. No one views it as that, because there are no other side effects, but being born with physical impairment is obviously a disease. People should not be able to say that someone with an impairment should be tried to be healed, because it keeps them from living a "normal" life, while gays are not attempted at being healed, because it seems they live a "normal" life.
[quote name='pyke' post='666628' date='Jun 24 2006, 01:59 PM']
Your basically refuting science because it stands in the way of your religion.
[/quote]
Hmm... Science is one of the most flawed religions out there. You know why? Because of it's hypocritical way, but we'll leave that for another time.

[quote name='Frizzle' post='666653' date='Jun 24 2006, 02:41 PM']
I believe it's true aswell what Alias believes in. People can choose who they fancy, just like who they want to become friends with, or what kind of ice cream they like.

Not all gay people are obeserved like you described Pyke.

It's like choosing a religion.
[/quote]
I am strongly against gays, but saying you can choose what you like, like ice cream isn't a worthy argument. You can't choose what ice-cream you like, you just take a bite out of it, and your taste buds tell you whether it tastes good or not. It's not your choice.

[quote name='Amagius' post='667035' date='Jun 24 2006, 09:38 PM']
Rape does not involve gender just hate
[/quote]
That does not work at all... Rape does not only involve hate. Frankly, it could be done without an ounce of hatred in the raper. There are many other factors, such as desperation, it being a fetish. It doesn't have to do with hate.
[quote name='Amagius' post='667035' date='Jun 24 2006, 09:38 PM']
There is NO reason to "cure" homosexuality, besides the choking tethers of Christianity that attempt to regulate the lives of the general populace.
[/quote]
Hmm... Really? So you're telling me, there is no problem with being gay? Well tell me, if everyone just decided to be gay, if everyone just happened to be gay, what would happen? It would be the end of man kind. Now tell me if everyone was straight. What would happen to the human race? Success... It's an obvious decision...

[quote name='Balmung' post='667332' date='Jun 25 2006, 08:55 AM']
But have you ever realized that so many relationships aren't about sex?

Are you implying it's impossible for you to be in love without shoving your dick into some females vagina? If so, you're demented, and it's no wonder if you'll be alone for the rest of your life.
[/quote]
Hmm... No... That isn't true. If that were true, then long distance relationships would work everywhere. People need to be physical in a relationship. The need for being physical could come later on in a relationship, but it is always there. That's life. If you loved someone, you would want to be with them. Simply chatting over an IMer or the phone isn't going to satisfy anyone.