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[travis]

Executed...for what? He did NOTHING to our country. He was the dictator of another country...why should we have the right to execute him?

Unless I'm confused on something.

[Hawk]

Executed...for what? He did NOTHING to our country. He was the dictator of another country...why should we have the right to execute him?

The crimes he committed while he was dictator are coming back to bite him in the ass

[Vegas]

Your comment implies that all Muslims like Saddam Hussain and that they are the only ones capable of a suicide bombing and are the only ones who do these types of things.

Basically what I got from your post was that "All Muslims are savage Saddam lovers who are ready to blow themselves up for his cause"

I really hope you dont believe that

If I wanted to say all muslims are Saddam lovers I would have said more than 100k. probably in the millions. And yes I know Saddam was a horrible muslim so I wouldnt think all muslims like him. I know that all muslims aren't guys wanting to blow themselves up and hurt people. IN all groups in society there are a couple people with misdirected beliefs which they think is rite.

But look at this way, from the events happenin now, terrorist cells with malicious intents are popping up all over the world-toronto, miami, london etc. I shouldnt have said the execution of Saddam would rouse up suicide-bombers, but people with malicious intents-like bombing institutions.
The death of Al-Zarqwawi sp? is jus helping fuel the fire of say "judgementally impaired" or 'extremist' muslims with ideas to hurt people. The death of Saddam will further fuel their fire as their cause would be that Iraq shouldn't have been invaded and that Bush lied to all the Americans with the WMD shit and that America thinks its the world police w.e. The death of Saddam would jus give these people more reason to hate America(even though he is being tried in an Iraqi court).
I am not racist to Muslims as I ironically have heard that most of your beliefs are similiar to Christian beliefs and I naturally am not/think to be as a racist.

Executed...for what? He did NOTHING to our country. He was the dictator of another country...why should we have the right to execute him?

Unless I'm confused on something.

Yes so I guess we shouldnt 'execute' the general who was responisible for the Rwanda genocide, Milosovic the leader in the Bosnia genocides(who died 'suspiciously' in a prison cell), the leaders in the African countries who order and believe in the 'ethnic cleansing' of a race of people, whoever else is leading genocide in the world that I have not named, and Hitler if he was still alive.
These people commit crimes against humanity, therefore world crimes and is the concern of the whole world. I say 'execute' because I believe in not executing them unless they are really horrible and have no remorse but in just locking them up. Cuz final judgment is for God.

EDIT-What trix says below. Error mistake. Please don't think thats what I reall meant to say.

Edited by Spade, 23 June 2006 - 11:07 AM.

[Christopher Robin]

I know that all muslims are guys wanting to blow themselves up and hurt people.

Um... *waits for hydro to come with smart remark on how muslims AREN'T all guys wanting to blow themselves up*

[Vegas]

Um... *waits for hydro to come with smart remark on how muslims AREN'T all guys wanting to blow themselves up*

You know that was a typing mistake fag.

[Hydrogen]

Um... *waits for hydro to come with smart remark on how muslims AREN'T all guys wanting to blow themselves up*

I caught that too, but i figured he just messed up in typing it because the rest of his post didnt follow that idea. I guess just be more careful spade as someone can be offended and thats never good .

out of the 1.4 billion Muslims in the world, only a very tiny minority is extremist. Its a little sad that such a small minority is held representative of the rest of the billion and a half Muslims in the world.

[Vegas]

out of the 1.4 billion Muslims in the world, only a very tiny minority is extremist. Its a little sad that such a small minority is held representative of the rest of the billion and a half Muslims in the world.

Well you know how the world likes to make a bigger deal of the deeds of the bad than the good. Toront Star or Sun- After the 17? people were arrested in the terrorist plot, the newspaper for a couple of days just had pictures of Muslims on the front page. When you think of Germans alot of people have Nazi coming first to mind. Its propagandha.

[Christopher Robin]

You know that was a typing mistake fag.

*holds back flaming* When I was replying, I was up for about 10 minutes or so, so I hadn't even woken up completely, and I was having trouble even understanding what it was you were talking about, sorry. Innappropriate use of the word "Fag" though. A fag is a man that dresses like a woman. A faggot, is ALSO, a bundle of logs. And another thing, a fag is a cigarette. The word fag, in no way, applies to me or my post.

[Hydrogen]

Well you know how the world likes to make a bigger deal of the deeds of the bad than the good. Toront Star or Sun- After the 17? people were arrested in the terrorist plot, the newspaper for a couple of days just had pictures of Muslims on the front page. When you think of Germans alot of people have Nazi coming first to mind. Its propagandha.

Of course . I wrote a paper on this topic actually. You can read it if you want . Just dont believe the propaganda especially now that you know what it is

[pyke]

You can't base your opinoin on a group of people based on the actions of a few bad apples . The easiest way to put it

As for saddam. I'd say execution. Prison won't do any good for him.

[Hydrogen]

As for saddam. I'd say execution. Prison won't do any good for him.

Some people have said that that should be for the Iraqis to decide

[pyke]

Some people have said that that should be for the Iraqis to decide

It is the most rational thing to do, I was just stating my personal opinon . What do you think the Iraqi would decide on though?

[Hydrogen]

It is the most rational thing to do, I was just stating my personal opinon . What do you think the Iraqi would decide on though?

I dont know to be honest . But yes, Id prefer if they got the decision to execute him or not .

Based on the things he has done, I think Islamically he is due for execution unless all of the families he has hurt forgive him or something . Then again, Im no scholar . Maybe one day .

[pyke]

Based on the things he has done, I think Islamically he is due for execution unless all of the families he has hurt forgive him or something .

The chances of that happening are almost non-existant. Im just worried about extremists renewing strikes on Iraqi civilians if they decision is left to them

[Christopher Robin]

Did noone read my post, or did noone have anything to say? xD If we execute him, he'll die and I think there will be extremists, because "YOU KILLED SADDAM! AAAH! IMA BLOW YOU UP!" where as if he passes away in jail, they'll be like "He's dead, he lead good. Hahaha. Let's blow ourselves up." He was a bastard anyways.

[nox]

Did noone read my post, or did noone have anything to say? xD If we execute him, he'll die and I think there will be extremists, because "YOU KILLED SADDAM! AAAH! IMA BLOW YOU UP!" where as if he passes away in jail, they'll be like "He's dead, he lead good. Hahaha. Let's blow ourselves up." He was a bastard anyways.

No one replied to my long post either. I guess we're so smart, that it's impossible to critisize us.

It's nice to be me.

[Blaine]

Religiously, I am inclined to say no. Saddam is a humanbeing who deserves to live. He will be punished for his sins when the time comes.

The blindly patriotic American in me seems to say "YES! Kill him!"

The rational human being in me believes that he should spend his life away in super max security prison. Killing him makes us no worse than him. If you kill someone because he killed someone, shouldn't someone else inturn kill you for killing him?

If we get our way he'll die, if for nothing more than as a stage for propaganda, reassure the masses that our "war on terror" is real and we're suceeding.

Propaganda: Not just for nazis or communist anymore!

[Hawk]

out of the 1.4 billion Muslims in the world, only a very tiny minority is extremist. Its a little sad that such a small minority is held representative of the rest of the billion and a half Muslims in the world.

Which is like the few people online who are after children. My parents are completely against me chatting to strangers online because all they hear on the news is the sick person did to a dumb shit who gave the sick person their address, phone number, or that kind of stuff.

They dont hear about the majority of chats online, the ones that dont result in a kid being raped, murdered, stalked, etc. They were even against me getting a headset for Socom 2 online. The thing is, Ive never been in a room where anyone has talked about something other than the game going on.

My friend finally got his mom to cave a week or so ago and get him Xbox live. He just recently got a 360 btw, its not like hes had an Xbox for a while. She was against it, and she asked a Geek Squad person about pedophiles. He said he was pretty embarrassed, and the dude was like, "No, Ive never had a problem with them, Ive only had a few people want to kill me." He was kidding, but yeah.

[ShadowLink64]

I'm going to go ahead and bump this topic due to the latest news from BBC.

Death penalty for Saddam Hussein

Discuss and debate what you think about the verdict I guess.

[hanswurst]

I'm going to go ahead and bump this topic due to the latest news from BBC.

Death penalty for Saddam Hussein

Discuss and debate what you think about the verdict I guess.

a shame
americans think they rule the world.they get into a country without any point, shot the defending army,shot ppl,get the leader, and try to kill him in america? pff,sounds more like a nazism style then anything else.

no personal offense,more a whole arround look opinion.

that wont help bush in any way.atleast not in the eyes of the world. for what shall sadam be guilty,i mean,this was not a worldwide conference,this was not in the sense of the humanity,this was just to give the americans,a head what they could smash,and they feel happy.no wonder that 90% of the europeans dislike americans.
they have nothing,no language(its english,and even that is just a adoptet language,from the german language (sachsen/saxony->angelsachsen->angeland->england)
no bloodline,its mixed by all arround the world,and they dont even respect others.just play in a nazism style war arround the world.even if they ditnt even "won" one.(ww2=russians won,vietnam=vietnam owned them badly)
and now they try to win the first war..but even that was a failure,no nuclear weapons,no "winner" just a ruined nations,grats america.

once more,this doesnt mean every single american,but.. all who vote and stay behind such a clown,called bush.

such news,r the shame,and nothing else,and i wont understand why "death" is still a option there,if you r guilty.and they still talk abou themself like humans,they just make a show to smash a head,and think noone cares.fine,grats for such human intelligence.

how did michael moore said.. "shame on you mr bush,shame on you."fits perfectly.

[Tetiel]

that wont help bush in any way.atleast not in the eyes of the world. for what shall sadam be guilty,i mean,this was not a worldwide conference,this was not in the sense of the humanity,this was just to give the americans,a head what they could smash,and they feel happy.no wonder that 90% of the europeans dislike americans.
they have nothing,no language(its english,and even that is just a adoptet language,from the german language (sachsen/saxony->angelsachsen->angeland->england)
no bloodline,its mixed by all arround the world,and they dont even respect others.just play in a nazism style war arround the world.even if they ditnt even "won" one.(ww2=russians won,vietnam=vietnam owned them badly)
and now they try to win the first war..but even that was a failure,no nuclear weapons,no "winner" just a ruined nations,grats america.

You, sir absolutely fail. Insulting us on our mixed culture? On our mixed race? And you call US nazis? We have English, dialect is different but England but it is still English. Are you saying that is not a true language? Oh as if the rest of Europe is so different you jerk. Ever heard of Latin? The most of the major languages in Western Europe are somewhat based off of it. French, Italian, and Spanish are all extremely similar. So get off your bloody high horse whoever you are. ALL of the languages are adopted from previous languages, they evolved.

*sigh* and since when is mixing races bad? Is it a problem that we have a lot of cultures? So does England and so does a lot of Europe! Many places are becoming culturally diverse. I presume you're European and if you deny that you are BLIND. I have been to several places in Europe and I have seen all sorts of races. America is not so different than Europe as far as that goes anymore.

Also you don't really know your history if you talk about Russia winning WW2. Where the hell THAT came from God only knows.

Anyways... back to Saddam's excecution. I highly disagree with the matter in which he is to die. Hanging I always thought was outdated, why not a lethal injection if you are to kill him? Quite honestly though... I fear this will now make him a martyr.

[Frizzle]

The former Iraqi president was convicted by a Baghdad court for his role in the killing of 148 people in the mainly Shia town of Dujail in 1982.


It's like he's been convicted of the smallest thing they could think of.

Why didn't just say "Ok you're going to be hung to death because you're a wanker dictator".

In political Jargon of course.

[stirlingL]

a shame? dude kill the b**tard for all i care, he killed thousands of people, if not tens of thousands

[hanswurst]

You, sir absolutely fail. Insulting us on our mixed culture? On our mixed race? And you call US nazis? We have English, dialect is different but England but it is still English. Are you saying that is not a true language? Oh as if the rest of Europe is so different you jerk. Ever heard of Latin? The most of the major languages in Western Europe are somewhat based off of it. French, Italian, and Spanish are all extremely similar. So get off your bloody high horse whoever you are. ALL of the languages are adopted from previous languages, they evolved.

sure,but from what does the mainlanguage in europe come? germanish,germany,sachsony.
bit history bit google,and even you find it.

*sigh* and since when is mixing races bad? Is it a problem that we have a lot of cultures? So does England and so does a lot of Europe! Many places are becoming culturally diverse. I presume you're European and if you deny that you are BLIND. I have been to several places in Europe and I have seen all sorts of races. America is not so different than Europe as far as that goes anymore.

why do you think do germans,austrians swiss,fight that much against intruder?
american is far away from the living quality in swiss,as example.

Also you don't really know your history if you talk about Russia winning WW2. Where the hell THAT came from God only knows.

lets see,famlily tree..hmm grand-grandfather ,leading possition in the russian tank war,true.
you must be right,the russians didnt won, they didnt took of more then 65% of the german troups,in only 4 months(at -40C°),and the americans still tryed to get into the normandie.yep you r so right,lets see the end,americans 240km away from berlin,as the russians raised the red flag,over the brand.tor. yes,the americans have just been fast once,and that was as the russians tryed to share germany,who took of more then 80% of the weaponprojects,what do you think comes the atom-bomb from? the since,the whole systems,like "hartes wasser"
there r also some movies about,i have here more then 47 dvd n video,about ww2,including more then 20 books,with history documents,war plans,last day eye-reports n such,i know very well what was going on.
wondering if they still teach the americans,that they won any wars.
they just won one thing,thats the best price for ripping off other nations,example,ww2 german rocket-sience.,another example iraque oil..sounds known ,doesnt it?

Anyways... back to Saddam's excecution. I highly disagree with the matter in which he is to die. Hanging I always thought was outdated, why not a lethal injection if you are to kill him? Quite honestly though... I fear this will now make him a martyr.

would it real matter how?every bushvoter have since few years bloody fingers,and they still can sleep?
the iraquish nation,hates america,not saddam. americans shot randomly ppl,steal the oil(and they still do!) saddam,keepd that nation in a good shape,that nation was based on 3 differend nations,including the shiitin,and shoonay,(no idea how to spell this names in english),and he keepd them in peace,shot down 200 to save millions.

if anyone point at sadam,why not at bush?
he kills dayly more then 20 soldiers,(since he still send them to iraque & afghanistan)
in his "nation" is still death by law,a problem.he still trys to ruin other countrys,by involving the CIA into revolutions and wars.he still send millions of dollar and war stuff,to help his friends,and kill the other.
great nation.they should never ask for anything,just took it,isnt it also very common? sounds like,..oil..iraque..
and they still think they are humans.

and that r only the facts,but aslong americans are proud about there nation,there army n such crap,they wont open the eyes n ears,and look what the whole world think about.

and they still think they r differend then germany at ww2... the problem is,germans r still proud about the history,they won,they won more then 14 countrys,and keepd them in a good shape,including raising industry,raising roads,raising railroads(and they r still used right now)
but lets look into iraque,america..hum did nothing,expect oilrobbing.they dont rebuild schoolsystem(did the european consult for teaching,with 12m euro) (name in english is something arround that.
energy n water systems, rebuilded(After the americans blown them up) by german THWand french Gasocom.(how much money that will take,is still not known,so far 6m from germany)
and you still believe that you americans,did anyone,anything good,in the whole history?
let me ask you two things, wouldnt the whole europes life better,under a german developement?
and what would happen if the germans,would have stopd at russian border,and raised africa(they have had alot of success there,europe was already done,and in germans hand.)
let me guess,then would you now speak german.(even that is a fact,from a historcal study documentation,about germans won WW2 scenario)

its quite funny to see,how much brainwashed americans r,if its getting to ww2,to language,to bloodlines. and still,they try to get a position,and fail badly.but you can make such a nation pretty happy,with a leader-hangup. greats, a very intelligent nation.humans.

[414de7fe6]

Death is too good for the likes of him. Sentence him to 3 life terms in jail being strung up by his balls in solitary confinement with the minimum a human needs to survive. Punishment will then fit the crime.