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[414de7fe6]

Carl Sagan smoked a lot of weed, was he stupid?
http://www.marijuana...essays/002.html

Read that essay about marijuana written by Carl Sagan.
Marijuana is a wonderful thing if you don't abuse it. I've noticed that I've become more relaxed about life, I'm not as obsessive/compulsive. I've gained an appreciation for the arts and have tried to hand draw a few times since I've started. I've started truly listening to music and imagine the music in my head, imagining the guitar and the drums and the piano. I've even had urges to learn like I never had before.

"Cannabis enables nonmusicians to know a little about what it is like to be a musician, and nonartists to grasp the joys of art."
"The illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world."
Carl Sagan, R.I.P.

Lovely.

Funny how he died of bone marrow disease at 62. Have a looksie at this, and this.

Isn't it also interesting how most bone marrow diseases also affect the capability of the immune system to act simply because a good portion of the bodies white blood cell count is produced from there? (read this) Isn't it also interesting that THC has a negative effect on the immune system? I think so.

Feast your eyes on the death of an marijuana advocate who's cause of death was the very thing he promoted. Ironic, no?

Edited by Euphoria, 17 April 2007 - 08:15 AM.

[Charmender]

Ok, Since you want to continue tell me the illegality of marijuana. Plus why does marijuana turn your lips and gums black and cigarettes make your teeth yellow and your breath smell stink. <.<

Lol your an idiot, smoking weed, is proven better than smoking fags, fags contain a shitload of chemical shit and alot more tar, smoking weed with tobbaco is more bad for you than either on there own, but smoking it thru a bong or something is much better than tobacco, also, wt black lips? are you high?

the only "blackness" comes from mouth cancer and smoking tobbaco is more likley to do that than weed

[Shadowcode]

There is also come evidence that marijuana does not cause cancer as alcohol and cigarettes do.
This is still not 100% proven, but it is a start.

http://www.webmd.com...to-cause-cancer

I didnt know this...until I looked it up.

Edited by Shadowcode, 17 April 2007 - 12:07 PM.

[Ives]

Marijuana is overrated. I used to smoke both, and weed was a lot better, but its not like it helped my lungs. Weed won't give you cancer, but chances are youll still get lung problems from long term use day by day. Most people who smoke pot, though, are pretty much normal people.

Weeds got its medical backup, though. Its a great nausea medicine, it helps people with HIV/AIDS, and it helps people with cancer in paticullar. Its a lot better to smoke weed than to drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes, but if we're looking for the best health option, avoid it all together.

Edited by Athean, 17 April 2007 - 02:25 PM.

[Christopher Robin]

Lovely.

Funny how he died of bone marrow disease at 62. Have a looksie at this, and this.

Isn't it also interesting how most bone marrow diseases also affect the capability of the immune system to act simply because a good portion of the bodies white blood cell count is produced from there? (read this) Isn't it also interesting that THC has a negative effect on the immune system? I think so.

Feast your eyes on the death of an marijuana advocate who's cause of death was the very thing he promoted. Ironic, no?

THCs negative effect on the immune system is still being studied, I believe. Although I do think it's true. Cigarettes are still worse than weed, anyways... Also, don't smokers have a bad immune system, too?

puff for puff, marijuana is better for you. If you smoke the same amount of marijuana as you do cigarettes, cigarettes are better.

That contradicts itself. Puff for puff, and same amount, is the same thing... Puff for puff, weed is more damaging, from everywhere I've studied, around 2-3 times worse, but NOONE smokes 20 joints a day, that know...

...Swallow the air? Do you mean inhaling, which is exactly the same thing you do when you smoke a cigarette?

Marijuana isn't all that bad for you. AND you get an effect. I'd much rather get something out of destroying my lungs then doing it and feeling nothing

Yeh. But tobacco DOES give you an effect, for about 10 minutes

Oooh well good thing I don't drink alcohols either.

&& I'm sure alcohol only kills brain cells when someone drinks to excess, like getting DRUNK.//

A study by a lady showed that alcohol only changes the way your brain communicated with brain cells... Haven't seen much more study on it, but I know it's there.

Lol, even though marijuana is a herb that doesn't mean its healthy for instance you can go smoke leaves off of a apple tree i bet if you swallow the smoke you get some kind of lung disease and get high as a moda.

Tobacco is a plant too... And Apple leaves won't get you high The pesticides on them might cause some bad side effects though ;o

Edited by Pomroy / Trixx, 17 April 2007 - 03:15 PM.

[Maleek]

There are facts stating that in order to cover up the smell from the police dog when they are importing marijuana they use chemicals, rat poison, all kinds of shit that will kill your ass.

[Nick]

Every drug should be made legal. Drug dealing balances the economy. What's good for the syndicate is good for the war.

[Raillery]

There is also come evidence that marijuana does not cause cancer as alcohol and cigarettes do.
This is still not 100% proven, but it is a start.

http://www.webmd.com...to-cause-cancer

I didnt know this...until I looked it up.

I was just about to post that.

I did a WHOLE report on marijuana and why it should be legalized this year. Researching was what made me start smoking, it should be legal for sure.

[Christopher Robin]

There are facts stating that in order to cover up the smell from the police dog when they are importing marijuana they use chemicals, rat poison, all kinds of shit that will kill your ass.

Not true... at least not that I've heard of around here. People I know have people here grow it, no chems or anything AFAIK

[RandomNameIgnoreIt]

Carl Sagan smoked a lot of weed, was he stupid?

Yes.

*exits conversation*

[Ives]

Lovely.

Funny how he died of bone marrow disease at 62. Have a looksie at this, and this.

Isn't it also interesting how most bone marrow diseases also affect the capability of the immune system to act simply because a good portion of the bodies white blood cell count is produced from there? (read this) Isn't it also interesting that THC has a negative effect on the immune system? I think so.

Feast your eyes on the death of an marijuana advocate who's cause of death was the very thing he promoted. Ironic, no?

Yeah, Hunter S Thompson smoked weed, and you know what happened? He hung himself. Thats because weed will hurt your brain, and make you do stupid decisions.

[Christopher Robin]

Yeah, Hunter S Thompson smoked weed, and you know what happened? He hung himself. Thats because weed will hurt your brain, and make you do stupid decisions.

Maybe he was just unhappy You know what? Someone in my classes cousin shot himself, and he lived. That's because living will hurt your brain, and make you do stupid decisions.

[Ives]

Maybe he was just unhappy You know what? Someone in my classes cousin shot himself, and he lived. That's because living will hurt your brain, and make you do stupid decisions.

It was a jab at poorly made conclusions, ala Reefer Madness. Not that euphoria doesn't have a point, nessecarily, I just like inserting in bad jokes here and there.

[Alex]

Lovely.

Funny how he died of bone marrow disease at 62. Have a looksie at this, and this.

Isn't it also interesting how most bone marrow diseases also affect the capability of the immune system to act simply because a good portion of the bodies white blood cell count is produced from there? (read this) Isn't it also interesting that THC has a negative effect on the immune system? I think so.

Feast your eyes on the death of an marijuana advocate who's cause of death was the very thing he promoted. Ironic, no?

So what kind of degrees in medicine do you have?
You can't make assumptions like that.
A little research says he had myelodysplasia
Further research reveals this:

The average age at diagnosis for MDS is about 65 years, but pediatric cases have been reported.

a marked tendency to affect older patients

The incidence of MDS increases with age, with a median age at diagnosis of 69 years.

with a prevalence of about 1 in 500 in the population age 60 and older.

Most cases (6-7 out of every 10) of myelodysplasia have no known cause, and are called primary myelodysplastic syndrome.
In a small number of people, a myelodysplastic syndrome occurs as a result of previous treatment with either chemotherapy or radiotherapy. This is known as therapy-related, or secondary, myelodysplastic syndrome.
The myelodysplastic syndromes are more common in elderly people but can occur at any age. They are very rare in childhood.

In addition, apparently he received a bone marrow transplant shortly before his death. When one receives any kind of transplant his immune system must be lowered in order to prevent his body from rejecting the transplant and I assume his was lowered as well. He then contracted pneumonia and died.

So just the fact that he smoked doesn't mean it killed him.
Your argument is connected by loose threads.

[Maleek]

Smoking weed is a conscious experience to get high and release all stress problems and what not. I go through about 2-3 joints a day and I am still cool. There is also a friend of mine who goes through 1 joint every hour to every two hours for some strange reason he is still living.

[Grizzly]

Alcohol is proven to be more dangerous to your health than MJ but this is debatable.

MJ is illegal primarily because its a gateway drug not because of its direct harmful effects though.

[Paradox]

I've read quite a few books on marijuana.
Quite interesting.
and from experience all true.

I don't quite understand why marijuana is illegal, yet alcohol, and even coffee is legal.
You can't overdose from weed.
Correction. You can, but you would have to smoke 44,000 times your normal amount.
Caffeine has more toxins in it, and is more addicting.
The high from marijuana doesn't give you the will to do violence as much as alcohol does.
Though weed does effect short-term memory loss, it only effects it during the high. Has no hardcore long term effects.
No one has ever died from an overdose of marijuana. It's not addicting. The high isn't outrageous and crazy.
Hmmmm.

I was an IB stupid for the longest time, and now am in mostly all AP classes.
I have been smoking weed since I was 12 (7th grade), so ya.
And also, no, I don't think weed makes you make "stupid" decisions.
At all.

Edited by Paradox, 17 April 2007 - 06:17 PM.

[Grizzly]

MJ is illegal primarily because its a gateway drug not because of its direct harmful effects though.

And there are long-term effects which affect your memory and ability to learn. But it won't necessarily make you stupid.

[Charmender]

MJ is illegal primarily because its a gateway drug not because of its direct harmful effects though.

And there are long-term effects which affect your memory and ability to learn. But it won't necessarily make you stupid.

I think the only reason it is a gateway drug is because you have to get it from dealers, who offer you other stuff, if it was legal, sure for maybe the first year everyone wud be smoking it then the hype would die downand only the people who enjoy it would smoke it

[Frizzle]

There's should much bullshit in this thread you could host an Oscar's night ceremony. It's not even a debate since tobacco smoking is proven to be more dangerous in long term then Cannabis.

[Christopher Robin]

It was a jab at poorly made conclusions, ala Reefer Madness. Not that euphoria doesn't have a point, nessecarily, I just like inserting in bad jokes here and there.

Oh xD Sorry.

[redlion]

Alcohol is proven to be more dangerous to your health than MJ but this is debatable.

MJ is illegal primarily because its a gateway drug not because of its direct harmful effects though.

See below.

I think the only reason it is a gateway drug is because you have to get it from dealers, who offer you other stuff, if it was legal, sure for maybe the first year everyone wud be smoking it then the hype would die downand only the people who enjoy it would smoke it

Exactly. There's nowhere else to get it except from drug dealers, who, conveniently, also offer other products which they're eager to sell XD

There's should much bullshit in this thread you could host an Oscar's night ceremony. It's not even a debate since tobacco smoking is proven to be more dangerous in long term then Cannabis.

+20 man points.

[Grizzly]

You eventually start being less affected by the euphoria and turn to stronger substances. That's why it's a gateway drug.

But then again, cigs are just as much as a gateway drug too statistically at least.. since a majority of drug users first used cigarettes

[Charmender]

You eventually start being less affected by the euphoria and turn to stronger substances. That's why it's a gateway drug.

But then again, cigs are just as much as a gateway drug too statistically at least.. since a majority of drug users first used cigarettes

But you build up resistance to any drug, thats why you have break periods

[Kimoflea]

Yeah, I started out on caffeine highs, and once that high started to affect me less, I turned to hard drugs. Now I'm a crackhead. We should ban coffee!