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[sonic]

We know the exact mass of the universe?!?! I thought we could just approximate the mass of some of the stars and such and then its all up to approximation...

Not to mention, dark matter takes up to 75% of the universe...but what I am talking about is infinite space in the universe.

There is a big chance I am wrong though..because scientists probably know the general shape of the universe, which in turn proves that there is, in fact, finite space in the universe.

there is measurable space in the universe....
check expansion thoery...

[slimemonkey]

Simply because the universe is expanding doesn't imply it is measurable... ... ..... I guess that can imply that...there once was limited space...

BUT that is all assuming what we hold to be true in OUR world and OUR perception of things is the proper one! Thinking outside the box....really could say that what Cataliste said about the F shaped universe is in fact the right answer

EDIT: I am hereby far too tired to make any more sense for tonight...

Edited by slimemonkey, 30 April 2007 - 10:57 PM.

[sonic]

oh great,

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tet is here.

[Sweeney]

In a universe where there is infinite space and infinite mass, every point is simultaneously infinitely dense and infinitely vacuuous.

[Tetiel]

oh great,
tet is here.

I don't argue physics, don't worry. I blame my being a woman. </sexist>

[Stepoo]

If the universe is not infinite, and if somebody was able to get to the end of the universe, what would there be?

[Metigue]

I don't believe in infinity, I believe that the distance and area of the universe can't be measured, sure. Infinity is the last unit of a range, however big that range is. The universe IS the range and therefore could contain something infinitely big but "Isn't infinity as big as you can get?" you may ask, Apparently not becuase a range is ongoing, The range that you get infinity in will always have to be bigger then what is in it. Take numbers for example the number range would be 1 - infinity so you would say infinity is the biggest number but as we all know you can double a ranges values and still have the same range. whats double infinity?.

I say our universe expands depending on what is contained inside it, right now over 7k galaxies to each square cm of sky so its pretty damn big. The number of galaxies could be infinite and the number of universes could be infinite, although that is impossible going by my theory as the range IS as big as you can get becuase its bigger then whatever is put inside it, and that if there was a container for universes and you put something infinitely big inside a universe the universe would continuly expand and so would the container.

[Tyler.]

Since I'm mildly religious, I believe God crerated the Universe, and He has always been there.


But this is really what I want to say: We as humans think too much.

[sonic]

I believe that the distance and area of the universe can't be measured, sure. I

LISTEN GUYS.
Think about dark matter.
We would not know its there unless we could calculate how much matter SHOULD be in the universe.

If you think there is infinite mass/energy then you piss on relativity theory.
Why cannot someone go faster that light?
Because the amount of energy to push their exponetial mass past the speed of light would be infinite, and THERE IS NOT AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF ENERGY IN THE UNIVERSE, so there is no accelerating past the speed of light.

[slimemonkey]

God created the universe, whether it be through the Big Bang/Evolution, I havn't quite made a full stand on either side, but I do know that He is in fact the author.

So Josh, was God always there?

And, sonic, no need to get too excited here, we are just throwing ideas...

[sonic]

God created the universe, whether it be through the Big Bang/Evolution, I havn't quite made a full stand on either side, but I do know that He is in fact the author.

I myself being deist, believe that only one thing could be strong enough to start something in a time before time, and that is a godly power.

[Metigue]

Light travels the speed of light and is contained within the universe, so sufficient energy to propel light at the speed its going must obviously be contained within the universe aswell. @ Sonic

Don't get me started on the relativity theory.. and ESPECIALLY not time.

[sonic]

Light travels the speed of light and is contained within the universe, so sufficient energy to propel light at the speed its going must obviously be contained within the universe aswell. @ Sonic

Don't get me started on the relativity theory.. and ESPECIALLY not time.

who are you?
Not sure.
Because I did not start your unimportant ass on anything?
And your statement? Made no sense.
I am the one arguing there is a finite amount of energy and mass.........
Your weird.
or just cant read......

Because the amount of energy to push their exponetial mass past the speed of light would be infinite, and THERE IS NOT AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF ENERGY IN THE UNIVERSE, so there is no accelerating past the speed of light.

I think if you were smart enough to see, that post right there explained that the energy needed to propel light, is contained in a finite universe..........

[Enzo]

In seriousness

I myself would support the big bang/evolution because im not really big into religion. Most of you have already talked about the information behind it so I will not get into it much


In joking

[Sweeney]

The Big Bang does not explain how the universe came into existence, it only explains how it began.

I think you'll find the Big Bang explains exactly how the universe came into existence.
What it doesn't explain, is why.

[sonic]

I think you'll find the Big Bang explains exactly how the universe came into existence.
What it doesn't explain, is why.

good point.

[Daniel G]

It's not only fact but law that nothing can come from nothing. I'd have to go into a lot of detail to get my point across but I am afraid my opinion would make no difference to stubborn minds, and it goes without saying that people who believe in anything are stubborn. It's hard to change a belief.

[sonic]

It's not only fact but law that nothing can come from nothing. I'd have to go into a lot of detail to get my point across but I am afraid my opinion would make no difference to stubborn minds, and it goes without saying that people who believe in anything are stubborn. It's hard to change a belief.

well mister newcomer.
I'm sure me and a few others are appalled to think that you think we are too dumb to know about the laws of thermodynamics.....
If you know anything about the big bang (and judging by your statement you don't) then you know that all known physics break down. There for your little "It's not only fact but law that nothing can come from nothing. I'd have to go into a lot of detail to get my point across" has no merit, because thermodynamics could very possibly have no effect on a time when there was no time, and matter did not exist as it does today.....

Nice try though.........
And I am stubborn...

[Ives]

bark. Who cares? Its not about the answers. Its about the questions. If you have an objective view, constantly questioning, you create better and better understanding. We aren't going to know all the answers, even if theres a 90% chances the big bang did happen. Theres no special book or God thats going to make mundane tasks any easier in your life. All it will do is add some clarity, because you cant organize seeking the truth.

[Amagius]

It's not only fact but law that nothing can come from nothing. I'd have to go into a lot of detail to get my point across but I am afraid my opinion would make no difference to stubborn minds, and it goes without saying that people who believe in anything are stubborn. It's hard to change a belief.

Rather address what Sonic already hit, I just wanted to make a note: You believe that it is "not only fact but law that nothing can come from nothing." Your opinion is your belief, and as such, you are calling yourself stubborn-- though your post holds a hint of holier than thou objectivity.

Some things in life will not be explained, and until we can visit the past, there won't be the concrete answer many people are looking for, so I choose not to join debates like this anymore. There are things to be gained, but answers are little of it. Still, I think the fact that you made one unsupported statement and then went to play the "You just wouldn't understand." card is astounding.

[sonic]

Not, it doesn't, because the Big Bang starts with something, but it doesn't explain where the something came from. Simple logic here, nothing advanced.

Josh, you would be surprised.....

[sonic]

I don't want any of your "forget all of the stuff you learned before and listen to me" crap

Thats not what i was hinting at.
You would be surprised who would not consider it simple logic.

[sonic]

My statement implies simple logic, and given that it's not false, I think it's safe to say my previous statement as indeed correct (that it's only simple logic and nothing advanced). Of course you can change my point into something more advanced, but that of course would be pointless.

Ok josh. What ever.
I did not even read your previous post, I was talking about the concept of the bigbang as a whole, not your description. The idea of the big bang is really hard for most to grasp. No need to jump down my throat, I have bad gag reflexes

[Ives]

Well, if there was indeed a start (which there was), at what point did Supergod supposedly come in, or can he deny logic?

[Freystein]

I don't even see the point of this thread anymore. Even if their was some reason for the existence of the universe we either wouldn't be able to comprehend it or know of it in our life time.
Ps lol
The big bang just described the distribution of matter in the universe. It maybe have started with a bang but we don't know what caused it. Though I have been reading up on M-theory.

Edited by Freystein, 24 May 2007 - 01:19 PM.