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[Tetiel]

I believe that would be the fact that there were many innocent people on each plane, in combination with the fact that they didn't know the planes were going to blow anything up until it was too late

Pretty much plus all previous hijackings to my knowledge did not end up in the plane being used as a gasoline fueled bomb.

I believe that 9/11 is fact and I take most conspiracy theory movies with a grain of salt at the very most ESPECIALLY if they have dramatic music in the background xD

[Melchoire]

Apparently they didn't shoot them down because they needed the presidents okay, and Bush was no where to be found. Then the person decided to just shoot them down anyway but the planes happened to go to the wrong place. Not sure if any of this is true though lol just what I heard

Right, and apparently during the 200 air drills the airforce performed in the previous year they did it all perfectly but for some reason they couldn't even find the plane on 9/11. The evidence is overwhelming

I believe that 9/11 is fact and I take most conspiracy theory movies with a grain of salt at the very most ESPECIALLY if they have dramatic music in the background xD

That's why I like reading about it instead =P

[33724]

Right, and apparently during the 200 air drills the airforce performed in the previous year they did it all perfectly but for some reason they couldn't even find the plane on 9/11. The evidence is overwhelming

The hijackers flew off course for an hour before any fighters were scrambled. Typical intercepts of offcourse airliners in within minutes.

NORAD had run exercises before 9/11 simulating suicide hijacking attacks: “one of the imagined targets was the World Trade Center. In another exercise the target was the Pentagon – but that drill was not run after defense officials said it was unrealistic. Most of these drills imagined hijackings originating overseas and coming in over the Atlantic, but USA Today noted there were exceptions in the early drills, including one operation, planned in July 2001 and conducted later, that involved planes from airports in Utah and Washington State that were “hijacked.” This drill was “conducted later” than July 2001, but not after September 11, and the date is apparently classified. Could this actually be the template for one of the war games of 9-11 itself?

[Ender]

If 9/11 was a set-up, what would the government have to gain by killing our citizens and destroying our buildings, exactly? o.o

[33724]

If 9/11 was a set-up, what would the government have to gain by killing our citizens and destroying our buildings, exactly? o.o

A reason to invade another Country and keep us living in fear of more attacks. Maybe

[illicit]

As Jakerz pointed out, I'm not accusing you of anything, and I'm certainly not "changing your words around". I was simply stating that if all you've got it Loose Change then look at other sources. And since you're saying you have other edivence, then my post shouldn't matter much to you. Nevertheless, I'll try to locate the interview tonight when I can looks up shit without using up my bandwith.

[rcadble]

I'm sorry if this offends anybody, but my personal stance is that anybody who believes in any kind of 9/11 conspiracy is gullible as hell.

I know this is a comedy page but it has some useful links at the bottom of the page:
http://www.thebestpa...gi?u=911_morons

Edited by rcadble, 18 July 2008 - 06:19 PM.

[Tetiel]

A reason to invade another Country and keep us living in fear of more attacks. Maybe

Which got us absolutely nothing which makes it somewhat of a dead point. We obviously didn't set up 9/11 to go there for oil as we're not getting any oil.

[nox]

its a fact i saw it happen

[Melchoire]

Which got us absolutely nothing which makes it somewhat of a dead point. We obviously didn't set up 9/11 to go there for oil as we're not getting any oil.

Bush has a fetish for killing people just like his daddy.

[33724]

Which got us absolutely nothing which makes it somewhat of a dead point. We obviously didn't set up 9/11 to go there for oil as we're not getting any oil.

Interseting. My uncle is Special Forces and we have a close relationship. He tells me about some of his missions at the Al Basra Oil Terminal. He said they went in there in January of 2003 (2 months before the Invasion) and secured what he called "key assets". He told me he wouldnt be able to go into detail. But what he could tell me shocked me.

After doing a little research and many years later, alot of this information became public knowledge. It's just amazing how many ties I found to President Bush's former Oil companies and Dick Cheney's as well.


Heavily armed soldiers spend their days at the oil terminals scanning the horizon looking for suicide bombers and stray fishing dhows (boats). Meanwhile, right under their noses, smugglers are suspected to be diverting an estimated billions of dollars worth of crude onto tankers because the oil metering system that is supposed monitor how much crude flows into and out of ABOT and KAAOT - has not worked since the March 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq.

Officials blame the four-year delay in repairing the relatively simple system on "security problems." Others point to the failed efforts of the two U.S. companies hired to repair the southern oil fields, fix the two terminals, and the meters: Halliburton of Houston, Texas, and Parsons of Pasadena, California. The Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR) is scheduled to publish a report this spring that is expected criticize the companies' failure to complete the work. Rumors are rife among suspicious Iraqis about the failure to measure the oil flow. "Iraq is the victim of the biggest robbery of its oil production in modern history," blazed a March 2006 headline in Azzaman, Iraq's most widely read newspaper. A May 2006 study of oil production and export figures by Platt's Oilgram News, an industry magazine, showed that up to $3 billion a year is unaccounted for.

[Gone]

I can say that governments have been known to sacrifice there own citizens well-being for a little power and money. The government allowed drugs to become a major issue in US and received some cash from the importation. There were also inhumane human experimentation done to American soldiers and people from around the world that were funded by governments. Let's not forget how the US pardoned many Nazi generals and allowed them to research in America while treating many of there own citizens like crap (almost every war, excluding ones with Europe, had American citizens forced into concentration camps).

The point I am trying to make is that the government cares about its own needs so people shouldn't take them so lightly.

As for 9/11, its possible that the government had some hand in it. I'm sorry but the way the plane hit would not cause a building to fall at free fall. I don't know if there were explosions, but just the plane doing the damage it did causing a building to collapse cannot be reasonably supported.

the government has connections with Mr. Laden, just like they did with Hussein. I don't know where their conflicts sprang from.

[rcadble]

I can say that governments have been known to sacrifice there own citizens well-being for a little power and money. The government allowed drugs to become a major issue in US and received some cash from the importation. There were also inhumane human experimentation done to American soldiers and people from around the world that were funded by governments. Let's not forget how the US pardoned many Nazi generals and allowed them to research in America while treating many of there own citizens like crap (almost every war, excluding ones with Europe, had American citizens forced into concentration camps).

The point I am trying to make is that the government cares about its own needs so people shouldn't take them so lightly.

As for 9/11, its possible that the government had some hand in it. I'm sorry but the way the plane hit would not cause a building to fall at free fall. I don't know if there were explosions, but just the plane doing the damage it did causing a building to collapse cannot be reasonably supported.

the government has connections with Mr. Laden, just like they did with Hussein. I don't know where their conflicts sprang from.

It tooks several minutes after the plane hit the building for it to collapse.

[illicit]

Ugh, sorry, codex is acting very weird for me, can't load it half the time. I found the interview.


At the 6:40 - 7:30 minute mark

As for 9/11, its possible that the government had some hand in it. I'm sorry but the way the plane hit would not cause a building to fall at free fall. I don't know if there were explosions, but just the plane doing the damage it did causing a building to collapse cannot be reasonably supported.

If the plane were to be leaking jet fuel down elevator shafts and anything were to ignite that it would have created huge explosions within the building, which could have caused the collapse.

[Cyo]

is wired cuz teh holding posts was made of metel and the planes crashd ther and made boom boom but i dunt think that explesien shudve melted the standing posts and it was found ther was thermites residue so kind of wired
so i think mby inside job like sum white arabs got into fbi or smth

[Jakerz]

I wish I could find that video, it showed what was left after the buildings collapsed. I forget what they were called but the beams that go vertical in the buildings were almost perfectly cut, which would have only been done with a certain explosive. No jet fuel could have made the clean cut like that, though I'm not a scientist or anything.

[Cyo]

I wish I could find that video, it showed what was left after the buildings collapsed. I forget what they were called but the beams that go vertical in the buildings were almost perfectly cut, which would have only been done with a certain explosive. No jet fuel could have made the clean cut like that, though I'm not a scientist or anything.

is zeitgeist i think u can fidn it in googelvideo but it has 2 other chapters infron of it talkin bout how jesus is shit and stuff and how america is getting muney problems cuz theire indebt 2 centrel bank

[Jakerz]

Naw it's not Zeitgeist, I watched that one as well this one was better

[33724]

i know they're called shape charges. They cut the steel at an angle with thermite. And one may wonder how do you get that many explosives in a building like that? Well what about the evacuations of the towers 3 weeks in a row in 8/01?
the security evacuated both buildings for securitry drills which had previously only been done once a year. that leaves alot of time for someone to get in there and do the job, doesnt it?

[rcadble]

If it were a government conspiracy, why would the government attack the pentagon and DC (though this plane never made it, it crashed in PA)?

Edited by rcadble, 20 July 2008 - 01:39 PM.

[Gone]

If it were a government conspiracy, why would the government attack the pentagon and DC (though this plane never made it, it crashed in PA)?

I watched the news when they reported the pentagon situation, and there was no video of the pentagon being damaged.

As for the DC incident, possibly to make the threat seem ever growing. The strange thing is presidents rarely spend time in the White House, so there would have never been a possible threat to the puppet's life. but there is the idea of casulties of war, and maybe that plan was to seal the deal in greeting access to Iraq and such. Although, bush should have been impeached for declaring war without the approval of the UN.

[Jakerz]

I also heard somewhere that because of 9/11 they got to put another large sum of money to something, possibly the defense or something I forget but it could be a reason for it.

[rcadble]

I watched the news when they reported the pentagon situation, and there was no video of the pentagon being damaged.

As for the DC incident, possibly to make the threat seem ever growing. The strange thing is presidents rarely spend time in the White House, so there would have never been a possible threat to the puppet's life. but there is the idea of casulties of war, and maybe that plan was to seal the deal in greeting access to Iraq and such. Although, bush should have been impeached for declaring war without the approval of the UN.

That's funny -- I visited the pentagon last September and they showed me where the plane crashed, how many people it killed, how far it went, etc. They even set up little memorial room.

[Jakerz]

Apparently the FBI took all the videos of the plane crashing into the pentagon and the people that were investigating the plane crash said there was no sign of any plane or anything. The area was also covered by sand shortly after which destroyed all evidence. But then what happened to the plane?!

[33724]

There was damage and anyone who says there wasnt is an idiot. I saw it. I saw a collapsed section of the building. The same section they were renovating to withstand an airliner attack. The only section were almost all of the workers and military had been moved out of to complete the upgrades. And can you honestly tell me the Worlds greatest military couldnt shoot down a jumbo effing jet? Rumsfield said there arent any missle deffense systems around the pentagon.
tt happens all the time. When a small private plane recently entered the 23-mile restricted ring around the U.S. Capitol, two F-16 interceptors were immediately launched from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away. In a similar episode, a pair of F-16 "Fighting Falcons" on 15-minute strip alert was airborne from Andrews just 11minutes after being notified by the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) of a Cessna straying towards the White House.

These were well-practiced routines. With more than 4,500 aircraft continuously sharing US airspace, between September 2000 and June 2001 the Pentagon launched fighters on 67 occasions to escort wayward aircraft.

But on Sept 11, 2001, NORAD and the FAA ignored routine procedures and strict regulations. In response to a national emergency involving hijacked airliners as dangerous as cruise missiles, interceptors launched late from distant bases flew to defend their nation at a fraction of their top speeds

Instead of being court-martialed like the luckless commanders defending Pearl Harbor, or even reprimanded, General Myers was awarded command of the entire U.S. military as new chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Bush publicly commended the air force general for his "calm manner, sound judgment, and his clear strategic thinking.