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[Frizzle]

You finally understand this concept! So Marijuana does not cause mental illnesses!

Don't think anyone said that. It just triggers those already predisposed with medical illnesses. Aswell as causing long term apathay.

[EggyMaster]

Weed was made illegal in the 20s i believe my good ol' Mr Anslinger. He was a blatant racist. He saw the jazz musicians using it, and freaked out. Cause there is nothing worse then a god damn negro in the wrong state of mind!

[Frizzle]

There's a reason I made statement about us being best friends, more specifically because I knew someone would say what you just did. I know the difference, I know for a fact it helped him. People say personal experience doesn't help, I beg to differ.

You're right, personal experience does help and prove a point but it has to be backed up with studies and other claims with facts. Qualitative research has it own pros and criticisms.

[Grizzly]

Don't think anyone said that. It just triggers those already predisposed with medical illnesses. Aswell as causing long term apathay.

The articles you cited explicitly claimed that

He said 'necessarily'.

Okay and marijuana doesn't necessarily cause mental illnesses.. don't really understand your point.

Why are you even responding to me.. I thought you were above and beyond all this lol

[Frizzle]

They were two random articles found because you thought that there were no links between cannabis and mental illnesses. That took me a total..4 seconds to do.

[Grizzly]

They were two random articles found because you thought that there were no links between cannabis and mental illnesses. That took me a total..4 seconds to do.

So in essence, you don't completely agree with the articles yet you expect me to accept them as concrete evidence?
Right..

[Frizzle]

No I expect you to realise you're wrong. If you can't, then it shows that you're just too immature to hold debates.

[SRF]

No I expect you to realise you're wrong. If you can't, then it shows that you're just too immature to hold debates.

I gave you a source showing marijuana doesn't cause cancer, and also another source saying why tobacco would and cannabis wouldn't, yet you still are saying it causes cancer, its all the same. And by show me it causes cancer I meant show me a case which has been linked back to cannabis use.

If this isn't being to immature to hold debates I am not sure what is "No I expect you to realise you're wrong. If you can't, then it shows that you're just too immature to hold debates." That's not holding a debate, that's just a complete lack of ability to accept you are wrong.

[Frizzle]

Next you'll be claiming the sky is green. Give up, smoking anything can cause cancer, fact.

[Tetiel]

*shrug* even eating burnt food can cause cancer. Burnt anything has carcinogens. Anyone claiming different is foolish. Perhaps it has LESS carcinogens than tobacco, but anything still has them.

[Sida]

Next you'll be claiming the sky is green. Give up, smoking anything can cause cancer, fact.

Can't remember whether I already said this but..

Spending any amount of time in UV light can cause skin cancer. Fact. Should we ban people from going outside?

I think I've already posted that, but I can't remember whether it was just a thought.

[Tetiel]

Can't remember whether I already said this but..

Spending any amount of time in UV light can cause skin cancer. Fact. Should we ban people from going outside?

I think I've already posted that, but I can't remember whether it was just a thought.

The medical benefits of going outside far outweigh the bad. Even tanning beds have their benefit with SAD, though I do not agree with their use by any means. With marijuana the benefits vs the bad are pretty much objective based on your view of it.

[Sida]

The medical benefits of going outside far outweigh the bad. Even tanning beds have their benefit with SAD, though I do not agree with their use by any means. With marijuana the benefits vs the bad are pretty much objective based on your view of it.

The post was more a reply to his ignorent comment, not the debate itself This debate pretty much is, and always will be, weed smokers vs. non-smokers.

[Tetiel]

But question, why in the world would you need to smoke weed? Why not ingest it in pill form? Sure, it doesn't get you high nearly as quickly, but it greatly decreases the cancer risk I'd think.

[Sida]

The thing is, look at normal smoking. People pay for smokes, get stupidly addicted and continue with it. Most people don't really have a geniune reason for starting yet they still did. This is the same thing, only with the added high. I've smoked and eaten weed and it's not the same. Smoking weed is also a pretty social thing as you generally have a group of people all getting high together, passing round the joints. "Everyone swallow after 3" doesn't really have the same social effect.

[Jakerz]

Marijuana brownies could be a social thing Kinda lol

[Grizzly]

Some of you are such stubborn fools..

Marijuana doesn't cause cancer. At all. The paper you roll it in has potential to cause cancer, but there has never been a case where such has happened.

In fact, marijuana is prescribed to treat cancer. It has proven effects to inhibit the development of tumors and the symptoms of cancer.

But question, why in the world would you need to smoke weed? Why not ingest it in pill form? Sure, it doesn't get you high nearly as quickly, but it greatly decreases the cancer risk I'd think.

You can't just eat marijuana and get high, the thc doesn't get released through injestion. You can however cook it in some kind of fat, and the fat will asborb it, pretty well.

And not everyone smokes weed. Many people eat magic brownies, fire crackers, etc.. even tea. And you can of course vaporize, which is my favorite method of smoking. And these methods are universal in Amsterdam, where mj is legal.

I can even argue that marijuana is almost always smoked in the U.S. just because the government has made it illegal and criminalized it so.. You can't really find a lot of places to stick your vaporizer into an outlet and smoke or cook brownies. If it were legal, stores would sell injestable marijuana and vaporizes would be more readily available.

No I expect you to realise you're wrong. If you can't, then it shows that you're just too immature to hold debates.

I actually admitted to being wrong before. I never realized a correlation had ever been found, but there has been.
Rather, my argument was that this correlation didn't mean shit.

But moreover, I'm only bringing this up because you can't provide a source you don't even agree with and then go on contradicting yourself.

And all you can do is throw slanderous name-calling when you're proven wrong. That or denounce someone as unable to debate correctly and go on to ignore their sound arguments. Even Kitsune has attempted to debate properly early on in the debate. Ironically, the only one that can't debate in this entire thread is you.

The thing is, look at normal smoking. People pay for smokes, get stupidly addicted and continue with it. Most people don't really have a geniune reason for starting yet they still did. This is the same thing, only with the added high. I've smoked and eaten weed and it's not the same. Smoking weed is also a pretty social thing as you generally have a group of people all getting high together, passing round the joints. "Everyone swallow after 3" doesn't really have the same social effect.

In the U.S. it definitely is a social thing to smoke a joint/blunt in a circle.. but I realized that eating weed can definitely be a social thing if it were legal. There's cafes in Amsterdam that sell foods like these and people just go there to chill. There's nothing more social then eating and getting high together

Edited by Freak, 20 October 2008 - 07:03 AM.

[Frizzle]

Stop thinking it's legal in 'Dam when it's not. It's just decriminalized. See, what's the point in talking to people as dogmatic as yourself when you spout bullshit.

http://en.wikipedia....the_Netherlands

[Fatal]

You can't just eat marijuana and get high, the thc doesn't get released through injestion. You can however cook it in some kind of fat, and the fat will asborb it, pretty well.

Well, they do somewhat sell pill THC, its called Marinol. Less bioavailable to the body, and the "high" it gives you is not as comfortable or as good as inhalation apparently, so your point is still valid even though factually semi-wrong. Also I believe it's really expensive, but not 100% on that.

I actually admitted to being wrong before. I never realized a correlation had ever been found, but there has been.
Rather, my argument was that this correlation didn't mean shit.

But moreover, I'm only bringing this up because you can't provide a source you don't even agree with and then go on contradicting yourself.

And all you can do is throw slanderous name-calling when you're proven wrong. That or denounce someone as unable to debate correctly and go on to ignore their sound arguments. Even Kitsune has attempted to debate properly early on in the debate. Ironically, the only one that can't debate in this entire thread is you.

+1

Edited by Fatal, 20 October 2008 - 07:11 AM.

[Sida]

In the U.S. it definitely is a social thing to smoke a joint/blunt in a circle.. but I realized that eating weed can definitely be a social thing if it were legal. There's cafes in Amsterdam that sell foods like these and people just go there to chill. There's nothing more social then eating and getting high together

When I went to Dam people were just buying brownies and shit as a little extra. I know for a fact that when I was there, it wouldn't have been anywhere near as fun just eating than it was to sit and chill with a few joints and a hookah There was one girl with us that didn't smoke so she was just eating. Sure she was involved like, but passing the joint past her over to the next person kinda made us feel like we were leaving her out, yano?

[Grizzly]

Stop thinking it's legal in 'Dam when it's not. It's just decriminalized. See, what's the point in talking to people as dogmatic as yourself when you spout bullshit.

http://en.wikipedia....the_Netherlands

That has almost nothing to do with my argument. I apologize, you're absolutely right.. it's not necessarily legal, you just won't get in trouble for it. What's the difference in being legal or being illegal yet not enforced? Nothing.

Again, trying to denounce my arguments with irrelevant matters.

[Fatal]

Stop thinking it's legal in 'Dam when it's not. It's just decriminalized. See, what's the point in talking to people as dogmatic as yourself when you spout bullshit.

http://en.wikipedia....the_Netherlands

It's "semi-legal", and to act like it's as illegal as the US is just dumb. It seems you're trying to just "pwn" people in this debate

[Sida]

That has almost nothing to do with my argument. I apologize, you're absolutely right.. it's not necessarily legal, you just won't get in trouble for it. What's the difference in being legal or being illegal yet not enforced? Nothing.

Again, trying to denounce my arguments with irrelevant matters.

True. When I was there, I walked outside of my hotel and saw a man ask the cops for a lighter before lighting up a joint infront of them and walking off. I think now though it's illegal for foreign people to smoke on the streets there, you have to actually live in Amsterdam. Although it's still not likely it's going to be enforced.

[The Dirty Filipino]

I know it's not really relevant to the argument, but it's still illegal to drive while high in Amsterdam. It's enforced as well, I think you can get up to 10 years of jail time if you get into an accident while high and kill someone.

[Grizzly]

When I went to Dam people were just buying brownies and shit as a little extra. I know for a fact that when I was there, it wouldn't have been anywhere near as fun just eating than it was to sit and chill with a few joints and a hookah There was one girl with us that didn't smoke so she was just eating. Sure she was involved like, but passing the joint past her over to the next person kinda made us feel like we were leaving her out, yano?

Yeah, smoking weed is definitely embedded into our culture.. I do agree that it's much funner even more enjoyable.. When I vaporize, I definitely just want to smoke a thick blunt afterwards lol.

But at the same time, if other options of consumption were more available, mj would definitely be smoked less.

True. When I was there, I walked outside of my hotel and saw a man ask the cops for a lighter before lighting up a joint infront of them and walking off. I think now though it's illegal for foreign people to smoke on the streets there, you have to actually live in Amsterdam. Although it's still not likely it's going to be enforced.

Yeah I think the U.S. government can technically trial you, even if you smoked in amsterdam. That's probably only in cases of DUIs and other criminal incidences involving marijuana though.