126 replies to this topic

[Grizzly]

Well to be honest I think we should consider the $1k first It's really not an imaginary number. I know a lot of friends who have sold hacks before and made a ton of money off of it.

I think 1k is excessive of a fee to be charging neocodex.. the point was to get programmers in the game and give them some sort of motivation rather than none. Not to pay programmers full price as if we're a client to your freelance business.. and quite frankly we could probably find programmers elsewhere that would take less and possibly have better/equal outcomes..

And you also have to consider the benefit that you get.. you're in essence given somewhere to sell your program in a community of 100s of eager members waiting for programs..

Neocodex couldn't simply afford to pay several members 1k, and even if we did charge members, I don't even know if that would be a feasible number..

[Sida]

I think 1k is excessive of a fee to be charging neocodex.. the point was to get programmers in the game and give them some sort of motivation rather than none. Not to pay programmers full price as if we're a client to your freelance business.. and quite frankly we could probably find programmers elsewhere that would take less and possibly have better/equal outcomes..

And you also have to consider the benefit that you get.. you're in essence given somewhere to sell your program in a community of 100s of eager members waiting for programs..

Neocodex couldn't simply afford to pay several members 1k, and even if we did charge members, I don't even know if that would be a feasible number..

He didn't say it all goes to the programmer

[Grizzly]

Yeah..

I think you completely missed my point. If you do the math: $15 per license X 100 licenesed users using programs = $1,500 profit for Neocodex. The amount that goes to the programmers would be determined by other factors of course, but my point was that selling program access yields an enormous profit, especially compared to the $20 limit Kitsune was talking about. This profit could go to hosting, campaigning, staff, etc. etc. and would boost Neocodex in just about every single area possible.

Oh I see, yeah I'm all for selling programs too, and if we were allowed to, programmers would definitely be getting paid more, but I don't know if the numbers you gave are ever going to feasible.

Either way, we also have to consider if the administration refuses this option, which is pretty likely. If they are, would programmers be willing to accept profits that would probably be under 400$ in a 12 month period.

Edited by Freak, 30 October 2008 - 02:36 PM.

[Waser Lave]

I don't think we'll be selling programs, that's not what we're about. That's close to the last thing which would happen.

[Sida]

If we sold programs at $10, you could have $5 go to programmer, $3 to codex, $1 to staff, $1 to contest funds.

Just really don't like the idea of selling programs Just defeats what we've always stood for.

Unless of course the program that was bought was available through another method, say by getting private of advanced.

Lol why would you pay the staff? The whole point in paying programmers is to get them to make top notch programs for the site as it's not happening now. Staff don't need incentive to be staff, most members here would take the job

Seriously though, the idea sounded good at first but now the whole thing's just got messy. I change my vote to no (you don't have to actually change it).

[Bryn AKA Interhacker]

It's not really messy, there's just a lot of options. It's probably best to start a new poll open to everyone with options like:

Sell all program access to members (w/ free programs for private+)
Sell some program access to members (other programs fee and all programs free for private)
Sell private program access to members (w/ of course free programs for private+)
Don't sell programs

That pretty much sums up all the differentiating views that popped up in this topic.

It wont work because everyone in private will vote FOR charging because they get it for free either way.

[Sida]

It wont work because everyone in private will vote FOR charging because they get it for free either way.

Then I guess maybe activity will rise from people wanting the same privilege.

[Bryn AKA Interhacker]

Then I guess maybe activity will rise from people wanting the same privilege.

Dos`nt contribute to what i`ve just said.

[Sida]

Dos`nt contribute to what i`ve just said.

Not everyone in private is in it for themselves you know. The people in private generally want codex to be active and run smoothly. Sure, them having access to the programs is a good reason to vote for it and if they do so what? If Private allows you to get them free, then they already deserve it.

[Jakerz]

It wont work because everyone in private will vote FOR charging because they get it for free either way.

We get them free either way, so they would most likely vote for whatever they think would help codex.

Personally I think it is a good idea to start charging for programs. I believe it would bring more members to codex, and those members would still be active to try and get private, knowing that the programs would be free once they get there.

[Daniel#1]

You got to do what ya gotta do i guess, if it means charging to put neocodex back up to the top, then why not. I don't think we should make these decisions, before hopefully, some admins are back.

[pyke]

It's not really messy, there's just a lot of options. It's probably best to start a new poll open to everyone with options like:

Sell all program access to members (w/ free programs for private+)
Sell some program access to members (other programs fee and all programs free for private)
Sell private program access to members (w/ of course free programs for private+)
Don't sell programs

That pretty much sums up all the differentiating views that popped up in this topic.

I'm against selling programs to be honest. We're not a bunch of profit mongers. That said, I believe we have extra funds and I wouldn't object to programmers being paid. I'm not in charge of our finances though

[Daniel#1]

I'm against selling programs to be honest. We're not a bunch of profit mongers. That said, I believe we have extra funds and I wouldn't object to programmers being paid. I'm not in charge of our finances though

Woot, woot, pyke finally answered

[Sida]

I'm against selling programs to be honest. We're not a bunch of profit mongers. That said, I believe we have extra funds and I wouldn't object to programmers being paid. I'm not in charge of our finances though

'Extra funds' aint gonna cut it really This was just a new idea for bringing activity back to Codex. If this fails in the end, we'll have to find something new. Either way something has to be done.

[pyke]

Woot, woot, pyke finally answered

Have been dealing with more important things the past couple days.

Also, extra funds may cut it, based on how much excess we currently have.

[Kyle]

What about paying for unnecessary/luxury type programs, like neoboard/mail spammers, username gatherers (and things of that sort if thats your cliche). Paying for programs as a whole though seems like it defeats the whole purpose of a site like neocodex.

[Daniel#1]

Have been dealing with more important things the past couple days.

Also, extra funds may cut it, based on how much excess we currently have.

WHAT, what's more important then a neocodex thread to do with paying programmers. Im jk, i understand, i've been pretty busy too, and not tryin to run down neocodex, but a thread about programmers making money isn't to high on my list of to-dos

[pyke]

WHAT, what's more important then a neocodex thread to do with paying programmers. Im jk, i understand, i've been pretty busy too, and not tryin to run down neocodex, but a thread about programmers making money isn't to high on my list of to-dos

It's an important thread to me and required a bit of thought. Midterms + programming assignments + dealing with other peoples shit means I wasn't able to spare thought for this.

[Sida]

What about paying for unnecessary/luxury type programs, like neoboard/mail spammers, username gatherers (and things of that sort if thats your cliche). Paying for programs as a whole though seems like it defeats the whole purpose of a site like neocodex.

That was the idea, only making programs cost a fee when they have had a huge amount of effort put into them with advanced security features, constant updates and support. Neoboard/mail spammers and username gatherers though, who the hell would pay for those? They would be more along the lines of advanced autobuyers and other such programs.

[Cory]

You classify any programs as necessary? ...

[Bryn AKA Interhacker]

You classify any programs as necessary? ...

You have like 70 items + you need to put into your shop!

[Sida]

You have like 70 items + you need to put into your shop!

Have you even looked at the download list?

[Cory]

You have like 70 items + you need to put into your shop!

<3333

[Kyle]

That was the idea, only making programs cost a fee when they have had a huge amount of effort put into them with advanced security features, constant updates and support. Neoboard/mail spammers and username gatherers though, who the hell would pay for those? They would be more along the lines of advanced autobuyers and other such programs.

I meant programs that are like for fun only, and that can do some serious damage(sn gatherer), as opposed to programs used for every day neo stuff.

You classify any programs as necessary? ...

You knew what I meant

[Grizzly]

-sigh-
Um does anyone know where hydro/SL are?