55 replies to this topic

[nox]

i just got life insurance and im gonna set it up so they take the $ out of there when i die and freeze me

sup ill visit yall decomposing skeletons in a couple hunned years

[rockage]

an interesting thought to ponder; wether or not that works.

I would think no.

[Frank274]

Our freeze-pods be next to eachother?

[Noitidart]

Whats this freezing thing never heard it before. So when you die they'll freeze you? Where are they going to put you?

[rockage]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryonics

[Noitidart]

Whao so just before you die they freeze you? And you'll be alive? They can't bring you back yet but when they have the technology all these people can come back to life??

[Mr. Hobo]

Yup thats the idea. I'm torn between freezing and donating all organs. Didn't know insurance covered that. Can you elabatorate a bit please Nox

[rockage]

noit- no; they freeze you after you die. It is illegal (at least in the us) to freeze you before you die.

Which is what I don't understand about this.

[Mr. Hobo]

Ya you Americans are a weird bunch. All for personal liberty but then you go limit it thanks to religion I guess.

I always assumed it was better to be frozen pre-death. Like a bit before an uncurable disease kills you. Didn't they freeze Walt Disney before he died.

Nevermind that's a myth

[rockage]

I think that if they froze you (it wouldn't be freezing but suspended animation) before you died I could better grasp the concept of this. It just doesn't make sense to me.

[Drakonid]

If they froze you before you died, hypothermia(spelling?) would kill you anyway...

[rockage]

Look up the concept of suspended animation; it's not actually freezing (it can be, but doesn't have to be).

http://en.wikipedia....mically-induced

kinda creepy:

Dora Kent

Before the company moved to Arizona from Riverside, California in 1994, it became a center of controversy when a county coroner ruled that Alcor client Dora Kent (Saul Kent's mother) was murdered with barbiturates before her head was removed for neuropreservation by the company's staff. Alcor contended that the drug was administered after her death. No charges were ever filed

Edited by rockage, 28 May 2009 - 03:59 PM.

[Sweeney]

We don't have the ability to cool a human body to absolute zero fast enough to prevent cellular breakdown anyway.

At current technology levels, it's pointless.

[rockage]

It doesn't need to go to absolute zero, we haven't cooled anything down to absolute zero ever anyways.

[Sweeney]

It doesn't need to go to absolute zero, we haven't cooled anything down to absolute zero ever anyways.

Yeah, it does. Unless you're at absolute zero, you will get cellular breakdown.
And over long periods, even the slightest bit of decay will be catastrophic.

[rockage]

They run some sort of fluid throughout the body to help prevent this, I don't recall the name and I don't have the article open anymore. Absolute zero hasn't been achieved yet though.

[Sweeney]

They run some sort of fluid throughout the body to help prevent this, I don't recall the name and I don't have the article open anymore. Absolute zero hasn't been achieved yet though.

Maybe in science fiction. The real world doesn't work that simply.

And yes, I know that absolute zero is unreached, and theoretically unreachable.

[rockage]

no, that's what they are actually doing in the real cryonics labs not just in science fiction.

[Sweeney]

no, that's what they are actually doing in the real cryonics labs not just in science fiction.

Ok, look; you cannot simultaneously cease metabolic activity whilst using any sort of intravenous fluid to alter said metabolism.
They're simply incompatible.

What exactly do you know about real cryonics or cryogenics? All current freezings are post-mortem, which isn't what I'm talking about.

[rockage]

I've stated numerous times in this thread that I didn't understand it .

What exactly do you know about real cryogenics? (i'd actually like to know, it's an interesting subject).

[Sweeney]

I've stated numerous times in this thread that I didn't understand it .

What exactly do you know about real cryogenics? (i'd actually like to know, it's an interesting subject).

Nothing specific, but I know a hell of a lot about biology.

[rockage]

Yeah I just find stuff like this interesting. Once a person dies and is frozen, as you said all the freezing would lead to a lot of damage. If the person is frozen while alive they will die and then said damage will occur anyways.

it seems like a scam to me :\

[Sweeney]

Yeah I just find stuff like this interesting. Once a person dies and is frozen, as you said all the freezing would lead to a lot of damage. If the person is frozen while alive they will die and then said damage will occur anyways.

it seems like a scam to me :\

I believe what they do for postmortem preservations is flood the body with antifreeze, which, in theory, stops ice crystals forming in the tissues as the body is frozen. Personally, though, I doubt this works fully, given how long it'd take the stuff to diffuse into muscle. Bone marrow, particularly, would probably still be destroyed.

Real cryonics would require the body to be cooled to very near absolute zero, and almost instantaneously to avoid the formation of crystals.
Of course, if a blood substitude could be developed that containted pervasive antifreeze, that would get around the rapid freezing issue. Arctic cod have a similar enzyme that stops them from freezing to death.

As for warming the body up again... that'd be even trickier

[rockage]

They offer different freezings; one for whole body, one for just head, and one for just brain. Would it work in theory(post mortem) for the brain then with the antifreeze since there aren't any bones ?

[Alex]

I'll be laughing in my grave when you're unfrozen in a thousand years in a world where humans are enslaved by an alien race to mine fuel for their world-conquering motherships.