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[iargue]

There is no point arguing with him jcr. For above reason alone, however he will not admit to being wrong or that there can sometimes be more than one answer to a specific problem. The illusions in his mind tell him that he is right, and no sense of reason or rationality will convince him otherwise.

And for the record, I liked iargues original post. The fact he says there is no such thing as Hypertracking because Google says so is a bit stupid though... If you type Hypertrack in a google search you will actually get quite a few results. Wading through said results will actually end up in the same source I quoted in my post.

My post WAS actually a joke on TNT's part, asking why they would Hyper-Track a user, in the context of the word, Hypertrack would be faster than fast-tracking a user, and fast-tracking a user to me would say that they help them get ahead.

Ugh. The reason that I say that if Google says it doesnt exist, is because Google searches fucking Dictionary.com for the fucking word. Obviously I am just fucking kidding about it knowning fucking everything.

God, you stupid little fucking kids who cant take a fucking joke just piss me the fuck off.

If you wanna argue about stupid retarded shit like if the word HyperTrack exists, go to the fucking debate section. I'm sick of this.

[jcrdude]

Ugh. The reason that I say that if Google says it doesnt exist, is because Google searches fucking Dictionary.com for the fucking word. Obviously I am just fucking kidding about it knowning fucking everything.

God, you stupid little fucking kids who cant take a fucking joke just piss me the fuck off.

This is why Noit hasn't mastered Python yet. Too busy working out the nuances of the sarcasm tag. This thing is going to be cumbersome once it's released

[sarcasm subtlety="strong" doubleEntendre="false" godMode="enabled" fagItUp="AlwaysEnabled" konami="UUDDLRLRBA"]Cool Story Bro[/sarcasm]

But that sarcastic line will mean so much more now.

[Fox1337]

"hidden context"

Did you make that word up too? As I have explained before. Abrosia works 100% like Firefox does, the only difference is rather then rendering the html, it just read it like plain text, and then acts upon it (saves your ass time). TNT sees the same thing from both firefox and from Abrosia.

The concern with not rendering the html is that certain elements inherently aren't going to be handled in the same way as they would in a browser and I think that it was Rita was touching on. Your wrapper might mimic that first POST request perfectly, but firefox is making many additional requests to fetch linked resources like *.css/*.js/images/etc. TNT could theoretically write a custom apache implementation that could filter those HTTP requests to find those who aren't acting as a browser would in normal circumstances.

I doubt they are doing that now, but I think they could if they really wanted to.

[iargue]

The concern with not rendering the html is that certain elements inherently aren't going to be handled in the same way as they would in a browser and I think that it was Rita was touching on. Your wrapper might mimic that first POST request perfectly, but firefox is making many additional requests to fetch linked resources like *.css/*.js/images/etc. TNT could theoretically write a custom apache implementation that could filter those HTTP requests to find those who aren't acting as a browser would in normal circumstances.

I doubt they are doing that now, but I think they could if they really wanted to.

TNT uses PHP. Not Apache.

Write me a PHP code that tells me when a user doesnt load images when they visit a php page please.

[Waser Lave]

TNT uses PHP. Not Apache.

Write me a PHP code that tells me when a user doesnt load images when they visit a php page please.

Neopets does use Apache.

Server: Apache/2.2.9 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.9 OpenSSL/0.9.7a PHP/5.1.6

[iargue]

Neopets does use Apache.

Server: Apache/2.2.9 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.9 OpenSSL/0.9.7a PHP/5.1.6

Webserver != Programming Language.

[Waser Lave]

Webserver != Programming Language.

I didn't say it was, I do understand the difference between a web server and a programming language...

[Hawk]

iargue is a programmer So he really should know what he's talking about

I lol'd because you assumed SS had no clue what he was talking about.

soul__stealer is a programmer too. And yes, iargue should know what he's talking about.

I lol'd cause you put Iargue in his place.

Neopets does use Apache.

Server: Apache/2.2.9 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.9 OpenSSL/0.9.7a PHP/5.1.6

I lol'd cause you put Iargue in his place... again.

Webserver != Programming Language.

LW is still, technically, right...

I didn't say it was, I do understand the difference between a web server and a programming language...

I'd sure hope so.

There is no point arguing with him jcr. For above reason alone, however he will not admit to being wrong or that there can sometimes be more than one answer to a specific problem. The illusions in his mind tell him that he is right, and no sense of reason or rationality will convince him otherwise.

Glad to see you completely understand Iargue. Due to previous arguments with him I have reached the same conclusion. Unfortunately for me it took a bit longer and several warnings, but it happens. xD

[Fox1337]

TNT uses PHP. Not Apache.

Write me a PHP code that tells me when a user doesnt load images when they visit a php page please.

PHP is an extension to the web server that interprets PHP scripting. Apache is the back-end HTTP daemon that handles the requests that your browser (or your AutoBuyer!) is making. Every single HTTP request made by any application is going to be handled by whatever HTTPd is running on the target server and if somebody wanted to, they could very well set something up that would create an easy filtering system for those requests to weed out those that aren't properly emulating a browser's behavior.

Just because you don't see the requests don't mean they aren't being made. All I did was navigate to neopets.com/ in firefox and there was 70 unique requests to the Neopets server. Granted this was with a clear cache so in a real world situation a good portion of those would be cached, but it's certainly a proof of concept for you.

Write me a PHP code that tells me when a user doesnt load images when they visit a php page please.

... But since I like a challenge:

index.php

<img src="image.jpg">
<?php 
session_start();
echo ((isset($_SESSION['loaded']))?"You've loaded the image ".$_SESSION['loaded']." times before now.":"You haven't loaded the image!"); 
?>

image.gif

<?php
session_start();
if(!isset($_SESSION['loaded'])) $_SESSION['loaded']=1; 
else $_SESSION['loaded']++;
$im = imagecreatetruecolor(1,1);
header('Content-type: image/gif');
imagegif($im);
imagedestroy($im);
?>

.htaccess

AddType application/x-httpd-php .gif

Crude implementation? Absolutely. But it does exactly what you wanted!

[ACinsomnia21]

Oh shi-

[manophear]

oh fu-

[Xwee]

thankfully tnt is a bunch of morons that wouldn't think of this themselves and fix it up that way XD

[Sweeney]

People are suprised that iargue was wrong? You have a lot to learn.

[GeorgeBright]

More like imwrong.

[val]

watch him not post because everyone's called him out on his shit

[Boggart]

"everyone" as in fox1337

[Morrodin]

Well this topic took a turn for the awesome.

[GreenScissors]

well damn. I wish I had gifs to use in moments like this

[Ambition]

If this is true, then would it mean that greasemonkey autobuyers are undetectable?

[Xwee]

and punk for help, i'm sure they'd be happy to (until I'm sure if they're a he or she, I will refer to punkrockbigmouth always as "they" to avoid offending)

edit: and was supposed to be ask but i wasn't paying attention to what I was typing XD, guess I'll learn my lesson eventually

Edited by Xwee, 26 April 2010 - 02:17 PM.

[piefayth]

If this is true, then would it mean that greasemonkey autobuyers are undetectable?

Well, I doubt they're being detected this way. It's just POSSIBLE to. We'd most likely all be iced if TNT implemented this.

[Xwee]

we should hide the proof so that if tnt finds it they won't be like "hmm, YEah okay! *program*"

[piefayth]

Do you really think they're that motivated?

[manophear]

It's TNT. I doubt it, they'll just put in the minimal effort to prevent the legit users from becoming discouraged.

[Ambition]

Do you really think they're that motivated?

^

They only ban once in a while to maintain their jobs.