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[GeorgeBright]

Hah, so it's like they're cops.

[Ambition]

Hah, so it's like they're cops.

Except more abusive and completely immune to lawsuits.

[iargue]

I didn't say it was, I do understand the difference between a web server and a programming language...

Perhaps I should have been more clear. I meant "TNT does not program in Apache" Because the previous posted had informed me that they would write an Apache script. When they are not writting apache scripts. Therefor, I am still correct in the meaning that they do not program in Apache, and that the original poster is wrong.

PHP is an extension to the web server that interprets PHP scripting. Apache is the back-end HTTP daemon that handles the requests that your browser (or your AutoBuyer!) is making. Every single HTTP request made by any application is going to be handled by whatever HTTPd is running on the target server and if somebody wanted to, they could very well set something up that would create an easy filtering system for those requests to weed out those that aren't properly emulating a browser's behavior.

Just because you don't see the requests don't mean they aren't being made. All I did was navigate to neopets.com/ in firefox and there was 70 unique requests to the Neopets server. Granted this was with a clear cache so in a real world situation a good portion of those would be cached, but it's certainly a proof of concept for you.

Once again. Apache is a webserver, not a programing language. You blantaly told me

theoretically write a custom apache implementation that could filter those HTTP requests to find those who aren't acting as a browser would in normal circumstances.

And I told you that they use PHP, not Apache. Because Apache is a server and does not handle anything but requests and that it is PHP that handle this implementation.

.. But since I like a challenge:

index.php

<img src="image.jpg">
<?php 
session_start();
echo ((isset($_SESSION['loaded']))?"You've loaded the image ".$_SESSION['loaded']." times before now.":"You haven't loaded the image!"); 
?>

image.gif

<?php
session_start();
if(!isset($_SESSION['loaded'])) $_SESSION['loaded']=1; 
else $_SESSION['loaded']++;
$im = imagecreatetruecolor(1,1);
header('Content-type: image/gif');
imagegif($im);
imagedestroy($im);
?>

.htaccess

AddType application/x-httpd-php .gif

Crude implementation? Absolutely. But it does exactly what you wanted!

Okay. So I took your script. Loaded it into my ISS website via PHP through Fast CGI - http://www.php.net/m...ndows.iis7.php.

I then created test.php using the php you provided (Skipping those retarded [php] tags, and changing the image to image.gif I assuming thats what you -really- meant). I then made image.gif using a text editor and put in just that code. This is assume that you wanted it implemented this way. If its not, please correct me.

This is my result, while using Google Chrome.



Care to try again? (I strongely do believe that this is possible, and that TNT lacks the ability to do this. But this is purely for me to see how its done, and how it can be countered without slowing down the page loading.) If someone else can do this, not as a challenge, but more as research. Can you implement this for me to test on?

If this is true, then would it mean that greasemonkey autobuyers are undetectable?

You have to understand that right now, we save several seconds of processing by -not- loading images. This makes Abrosia faster then GM based autobuyers. If TNT were to -ever- implement image loading checks (Which they are too retarded to). It would take less then a day for us to change to loading images.

watch him not post because everyone's called him out on his shit

No one called me on anything. Laser Wave correctly me in my failure to say "programming" language, which I had intended to say, but was tired and just put doesnt use. Foxy was still wrong with what he said, I just didnt correct what he said properly.

Also, I asked Foxy to right me this code, so I can play around with how to load the images without slowing down buy times. I was not challenging him, or telling him it could not be done. Obviously it could, I just want to test a few theories of my own.

[Fox1337]

And I told you that they use PHP, not Apache. Because Apache is a server and does not handle anything but requests and that it is PHP that handle this implementation.

Apache is also open source which means that anybody with the motivation and know-how can modify the source and compile a custom 'version' of apache that will handle anything any way you want it to. The HTTP requests are being handled by apache and that is where it would make the most sense to implement a filtering system if one was so desired.

Okay. So I took your script. Loaded it into my ISS website via PHP through Fast CGI - http://www.php.net/m...ndows.iis7.php.

I then created test.php using the php you provided (Skipping those retarded [php] tags, and changing the image to image.gif I assuming thats what you -really- meant). I then made image.gif using a text editor and put in just that code. This is assume that you wanted it implemented this way. If its not, please correct me.

You forgot the .htaccess, something that (I think) is native to Apache. There might be a way to emulate the desired outcome on an IIS box but without letting the server know that it has to interpret that image as a script (by forcing the MIME type association), it's still going to handle it as an image (which is why you are getting that broken-image image). For the end-user that 'image' is never going to seem like anything but an image, but the server can still handle it as something else if it's told to do so.

[iargue]

You forgot the .htaccess, something that (I think) is native to Apache. There might be a way to emulate the desired outcome on an IIS box but without letting the server know that it has to interpret that image as a script (by forcing the MIME type association), it's still going to handle it as an image (which is why you are getting that broken-image image). For the end-user that 'image' is never going to seem like anything but an image, but the server can still handle it as something else if it's told to do so.

I changed *.gif to me handled via the PHP processor. It still didnt work?

This is how I set up my MIME.


Just realized I didnt need the second .gif.

Still isnt working though

[generalgsus]

I think Viacom's not playing. But since I've been frozen a while back I just play it safe - seriously the more human-like you are the less you ever get frozen. I've been ABing since for years without a freeze. Everything in moderation.

[Boggart]

I think Viacom's not playing. But since I've been frozen a while back I just play it safe - seriously the more human-like you are the less you ever get frozen. I've been ABing since for years without a freeze. Everything in moderation.

umm... can you stop lying please to increase your post count? On HB you constantly ask why people can last for months while you get frozen after a week

[Scot]

umm... can you stop lying please to increase your post count? On HB you constantly ask why people can last for months while you get frozen after a week

Ouch

Looks like he could use some





burn heal

[generalgsus]

@ Boggart: Sorry about that, 'cept a lot of times I say stuff other than what's really happening on my main as to avoid a freeze by TNT in case they're watching. I mix it up a bit - as far as they can tell I'm either a guy who gets frozen really often and they're on my tail, or I'm a safe ABer and they'll never catch me.

[kiddX]

@ Boggart: Sorry about that, 'cept a lot of times I say stuff other than what's really happening on my main as to avoid a freeze by TNT in case they're watching. I mix it up a bit - as far as they can tell I'm either a guy who gets frozen really often and they're on my tail, or I'm a safe ABer and they'll never catch me.

cool story bro

[generalgsus]

cool story bro

*thumbs up* I really like how you're anti-spam, except you just tend to be aggressive to others when they are making on-topic posts, while you sit back and try to act cool. Good job kiddX - it's people like you who define the word hypocrite.

[Elindoril]

*thumbs up* I really like how you're anti-spam, except you just tend to be aggressive to others when they are making on-topic posts, while you sit back and try to act cool. Good job kiddX - it's people like you who define the word hypocrite.

Informative anecdote, hombre.