Kindly take your reductio ad absurdum and shove them in the orifice of your choice.
*slips a condom on the reductio ad absurdum before shoving it in orifice of choice*
Posted 04 September 2010 - 04:18 PM
Kindly take your reductio ad absurdum and shove them in the orifice of your choice.
Posted 04 September 2010 - 04:31 PM
No, that's not what I am saying, nor what he is saying.
He said "Ultimately, if you don't want a child, don't have sex".
He is the one that is ignoring safety precautions, and the like, not me.
LOL! you're hilarious. It really all just varies dependent upon when the fetus becomes "alive." By my definition, everything is alive... except maybe dark matter... but that's another story entirely. So for my abortion level when does life start, I guess I think that once there is a beating heart, it constitutes as alive to me.
*shrugs*
On a side note, there is fucking dried sugar from a soda on my pc monitor! I don't even drink Sodas?!?! WTF?
LOL! you're hilarious. It really all just varies dependent upon when the fetus becomes "alive." By my definition, everything is alive... except maybe dark matter... but that's another story entirely. So for my abortion level when does life start, I guess I think that once there is a beating heart, it constitutes as alive to me.
*shrugs*
On a side note, there is fucking dried sugar from a soda on my pc monitor! I don't even drink Sodas?!?! WTF?
Posted 04 September 2010 - 04:42 PM
That's not what you said at all"She" for the record. Also I did not say I was ignoring safety precautions. Essentially what I'm saying is if you refuse to use the proper birth control methods you shouldn't be having sex or use abortion as a form of birth control when you get pregnant.
Posted 04 September 2010 - 04:51 PM
Edited by bobsauce, 04 September 2010 - 05:03 PM.
Posted 04 September 2010 - 05:00 PM
That's not what you said at all
You said that despite the safety precautions, if someone really can't deal with having a baby, they shouldn't be having sex. You can go and reread what you actually wrote, if you like.
Posted 04 September 2010 - 06:12 PM
That's not what you said at all
You said that despite the safety precautions, if someone really can't deal with having a baby, they shouldn't be having sex. You can go and reread what you actually wrote, if you like.
Also, this woman's baby wasn't alive until she squeezed it out?
http://www.dailymail...mach-pains.html
"When you find out" is a bloody moronic way of determining an whether an organism is alive or not.
Not that "alive" is the important aspect anyway.
Posted 04 September 2010 - 06:17 PM
"Ultimately if you do not want to have children and are scared that you will have children despite taking precautions, than don't have sex."Misinterpret everything if you want to. I'm not saying people shouldn't have sex, for christ sakes I'm having sex BUT i'm being safe. IF you are being SAFE then sex is wonderful. If you are going to have sex and NOT be safe then deal with it. If you can't deal with having SAFE sex then you shouldn't be having sex for your fear of having a child. ALSO, it's my damned opinion. If I got pregnant now then to me my child would be "alive".
Posted 04 September 2010 - 06:43 PM
"Ultimately if you do not want to have children and are scared that you will have children despite taking precautions, than don't have sex."
Misinterpret, sure. Maybe you just don't know what the things you write mean?
ALSO, your damned opinion is just as capable of being wrong as everyone elses. Don't expect my respect just because it's an opinion.
Justify it, or change it.
Posted 05 September 2010 - 12:43 AM
Posted 05 September 2010 - 05:39 AM
This is the bit that I have issue with.If you want to have sex and use precautions and still get pregnant? Still not fine to abort (IN MY OPINION). Unless of course the lady has health concerns or was raped.
You seem to be fuzzy on the definition of "debate section".Also I never once said my opinion was right above yours or anyone else. It's mine that's all that matters. I don't want or need your respect. Your just some person on the other end of a computer to me, doesn't really bother me at all. The whole point in this was a supposed friendly debate, I didn't come on here to shit on anyone.
So you deleted your account, instead? Cry more, little girl.I will say, I'm a little disappointed with all of this. Granted I hoped into this site in a very controversial topic, but I didn't realize that I would get attacked. Actually I was told by someone that attacking people on these sites could get you kicked. But oh well. People will be how they will be.
Posted 05 September 2010 - 05:50 AM
New record in how quickly you upset someone on this site?So you deleted your account, instead? Cry more, little girl.
Posted 05 September 2010 - 05:55 AM
Posted 05 September 2010 - 08:05 AM
Also, this woman's baby wasn't alive until she squeezed it out?
http://www.dailymail...mach-pains.html
"When you find out" is a bloody moronic way of determining an whether an organism is alive or not.
Posted 05 September 2010 - 08:23 AM
So you deleted your account, instead? Cry more, little girl.
Posted 05 September 2010 - 08:31 AM
Betting isn't required. If you had clicked the link, you would have seen a photo.How the fuck does she not know? I'll bet you that lady must've been hella fat.
If only she'd used protection.She weighed the pros and cons and finally decided it would be best for her to abort her account. The irony!!
Posted 05 September 2010 - 09:22 AM
Posted 05 September 2010 - 09:47 AM
I don't think that's reductio ad absurdum... It's like if you don't wanna get hit my a car... look both ways when you cross the street, wear a helmet if you're on a bike, be aware of your surroundings, drive defensively. Abortion in your simile would be walk willy nilly wherever you want and if you do get hit by a car, just have the car demolished and go to the hospital.
There shouldn't be a need to go to the hospital because you shouldn't have been playing in the street without protection anyways.
Posted 05 September 2010 - 09:52 AM
Looking both ways before you cross the street and wearing a helmet when you're on a bike doesn't prevent you from being ran over by a car. You may survive, but there's always that chance. Just because you drive defensively, doesn't mean a drunk idiot won't smash into you.
That being said, I'm pro-choice. I think no matter what stage of your life you are in, if you're not ready for a child, why should you bring it into this world? If you know you either have no money to support it, or the father won't be there, or you won't care for it, wouldn't it be better to just not have the child? Especially if you were taking all the precautions in order not to get pregnant. Ultimately if you don't want to get pregnant, it's true; just don't have sex. But who is really not going to have sex? There's so many ways to keep from getting pregnant, but nothing is 100%. It's awfully close to 100%, but not quite there.
I definitely think there will always be people who will abuse abortions, but what can you do? There's people abusing everything now a days. I don't think a few idiots should ruin other peoples rights. I think abortion is a right.
I'm not very good at debating, and my points are all over the place, but that's simply how I feel about the matter.
Posted 05 September 2010 - 10:49 AM
Posted 05 September 2010 - 10:55 AM
I also think if it's illegal, people who are desperate will resort to stupid coat hanger methods.
Or people will go to others who preform illegal abortions in their basements.
Not safe.
Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:13 AM
My aunt tried to abort my cousin using medications/weird concoctions. (This was in China). Needless to say, my cousin did not die but she was born blind on one eye and had to get her eye removed. So she has only one eye to this day and wears a glass eye. (Hey, you can't notice but still...)
If abortion wasn't so frowned upon I doubt she would have used that method but a safer way. Abortion is safe if done in a clinic, despite what all the myths say really.
Posted 05 September 2010 - 11:41 AM
Posted 05 September 2010 - 02:33 PM
I don't think it's insupportable. If you take all precautions, you still have sex knowing there's a chance you could get someone pregnant and that's something you should be willing to take accountability for.This is the bit that I have issue with.
It's an emotional, rationally insupportable position.
You seem to be fuzzy on the definition of "debate section".
So you deleted your account, instead? Cry more, little girl.
Posted 05 September 2010 - 02:55 PM
I'm sorry, but if you're trying to suggest that making the decision to abort your unborn foetus isn't "taking accountability", you're woefully naive.I don't think it's insupportable. If you take all precautions, you still have sex knowing there's a chance you could get someone pregnant and that's something you should be willing to take accountability for.
I hope it doesn't burst your bubble, but I don't think she deleted her account out of butthurt.
Posted 05 September 2010 - 05:42 PM
It's simply a thing of perspective. I take precautions because I don't plan on creating another person at this time, but I'm not going to stop something that's happened. After seeing my brother with his son, I don't think I could justify an abortion, even if the child is just a bunch of cells with no consciousness at the time.I'm sorry, but if you're trying to suggest that making the decision to abort your unborn foetus isn't "taking accountability", you're woefully naive.
And, it looks like it to me
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