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[Frizzle]

Permanently stable assuming America stays in a constant state of war . I'd much rather see jobs created that actually yield a benefit besides allowing that war to go on.
Compared to China/Cambodia wire tapping is nothing, but compared to the rights once had (and the rights still possessed by a lot of European countries) it's a step in a wrong direction, one that should be undone.

There has only been just over 100 years of history in human life that there has been no war. Also remember that it doesn't necessarily mean America has to be at war, as they are the largest arms producer in the world and the 2nd biggest arms distributor just behind the UK. Surprising I know. And yes, these jobs are benefical in comparison to domestic produce, but it still benefits the economy overall and puts people to work.

You'd be surprised actually. Wiretapping has been going on the US for years. Even the in the UK we regularly wiretap potential terrorist suspects. I'm also certain many European countries do that as well. I see it as if you're not guilty, you shouldn't be opposed to it. If you was searched by the police because someone matched your description of a potential drug deal and you knew you've done nothing wrong, you again wouldn't feel it was a breach of human rights, but merely authority doing their job.

[Powerrrr]

America is all about fear. Keep them scared, and they'll listen to what you say.

[ArticTheTiger]

In 200 years* everyone posting in this thread will be dead and it will not matter.

*safest amount of years to bet on

[Justinnn]

In 200 years* everyone posting in this thread will be dead and it will not matter.

*safest amount of years to bet on

This guy's on the ball.

The inevitable end to humanity (As seen throughout history) is so liberating when it comes to discussing world war.

[Faval]

In 200 years* everyone posting in this thread will be dead and it will not matter.

*safest amount of years to bet on

We're not discussing how we can stop the sun from imploding on itself 10 billion years in the future.

In the long run we're all going to die but what happens as a result of the bombing is going to shape what will happen 200 years in the future when America becomes totalitarian or something.

Besides, I'm pretty sure humanity will probably survive more than 200 years even if it's in some post apocalyptic environment.

Edited by Faval, 21 September 2010 - 09:43 AM.

[Justinnn]

We're not discussing how we can stop the sun from imploding on itself 10 billion years in the future.

In the long run we're all going to die but what happens as a result of the bombing is going to shape what will happen 200 years in the future when America becomes totalitarian or something.

Besides, I'm pretty sure humanity will probably survive more than 200 years even if it's in some post apocalyptic environment.

Post apocalyptic? Pretty sure you're not even familiar with the words you're using.

Humanity will encounter ice ages, lose most seafood and oil resource and basically revert into a scavenging, inflated state before we encounter any sort of celestial intervention.

I find solace that I'm living in probably the last abundant generation. So much solace, in fact, that I abuse it.

[Faval]

Post apocalyptic? Pretty sure you're not even familiar with the words you're using.

Humanity will encounter ice ages, lose most seafood and oil resource and basically revert into a scavenging, inflated state before we encounter any sort of celestial intervention.

I find solace that I'm living in probably the last abundant generation. So much solace, in fact, that I abuse it.

My idea of post apocalyptic would have been when some lunatic launches a nuke triggering all other countries to nuke each other leaving a desolate world. What you describe is a more natural turn of events. I think humanity will probably encounter flooding due to the polar ice caps melting more likely than another ice age...

We have plenty of oil for now and we're already converting to other forms of energy and researching it, so I'm not worried about that at all...especially since it'll be pass my lifetime before oil runs out completely.

Edited by Faval, 22 September 2010 - 06:54 AM.

[Justinnn]

My idea of post apocalyptic would have been when some lunatic launches a nuke triggering all other countries to nuke each other leaving a desolate world. What you describe is a more natural turn of events. I think humanity will probably encounter flooding due to the polar ice caps melting more likely than another ice age...

We have plenty of oil for now and we're already converting to other forms of energy and researching it, so I'm not worried about that at all...especially since it'll be pass my lifetime before oil runs out completely.

I doubt humanity will be the catalyst in it's own extinction. Even in a post-apocalyptic world, I highly doubt every single human life would cease to exist.

Technically, the happening of an ice age isn't completely factual. I was pretty much spitballing when I said that. The ice age is the scientific alternative to Global Warming. Sort of like the Atheism to Christianity. It simply states that the levels of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere are falling, with gradual shifts in the earths orbit, Ice sheets will appear over Europe. It's mostly geological hypothesis, hence my less than serious use of which.

Oil will run out in the next 50 years, my friend. The problem with that is so much of our society is already dependent upon it. Other sources are indeed viable, but not in such a widespread, easily applicable nature as oil. Which pretty much means the transition into other forms of energy would be drastic, and by the going rate of oil consumption and alternate energy use, completely impulsive. We won't be able to function as adeptly as a society, especially capitalistically, when the dominant resource is completely pilfered.

[sonic]

I doubt humanity will be the catalyst in it's own extinction. Even in a post-apocalyptic world, I highly doubt every single human life would cease to exist.

Damn skippy.
I plan to survive Z day.

[Justinnn]

I'd really, REALLY, like to see sources for that. We have shitloads of oil in Texas and Alaska... not to mention the oil that people like brazil are starting to do in way, way deep sea.

I'd like to believe you... but all evidence I've seen proves contrary to that. So please show me some legit sources for that info.

http://stason.org/TU...-crude-oil.html

Based upon Proven Reserves and production values; we have 43 years of oil left.

Well, Crude Oil.

So I'll humbly admit my rushed statement was partially incorrect. But it's general point is still valid.

[iloveorange]

No, they teach us how to better ourselves. Our army will crush yours, thanks a lot terrorists, you've been a great help.