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[neobrah]

thanks dude

Well the pain's more tolerable now, i guess cause the weather's lightening up.

Went over to the pharm today, i got flaxseed oil supplements because the shark cartilage pills were waaay expensive and the shop assistant told me it helps the joints as well. I hope it does

other cheaper supplements you might want to look into are glucosamine sulfate which supports health and strength of connective tissues. this goes hand in hand with the ability for your body to support range of motion in of joints (around 10-15 bucks for 30 servings). you could also look into chondroitin and hyaluronic acid (however these are pretty expensive but reviews they have worked great)

[DanDoesWork]

thanks dude

Well the pain's more tolerable now, i guess cause the weather's lightening up.

Went over to the pharm today, i got flaxseed oil supplements because the shark cartilage pills were waaay expensive and the shop assistant told me it helps the joints as well. I hope it does

yah cold weather=bad for joints ;/ I get a very sharp pain in the cold it blows..just wondering does your knee hurt once you wake up? or walking up steps?

[Wil]

I guess I have some good tips to share. I'm no professional body builder but I highly recommend using Jack3d for lifting weights. It's a pre-workout supplement that amplifies ATP (the stuff that makes you move, AKA energy) and increases reps and maxes. On Jack3d my bench went up 20 pounds, parallel squat went up 15 pounds, power clean went up 10 pounds (I have no form in power clean) and I trimmed down several pounds. It's not a miracle supplement, you still need a good diet and exercise.

Here are my stats now:

Weight: 173
Parallel Squat: 315
Bench Press: 225
Power Clean: 205
Front Squat: 255

I'd say it's done me pretty decent.

[neobrah]

I guess I have some good tips to share. I'm no professional body builder but I highly recommend using Jack3d for lifting weights. It's a pre-workout supplement that amplifies ATP (the stuff that makes you move, AKA energy) and increases reps and maxes. On Jack3d my bench went up 20 pounds, parallel squat went up 15 pounds, power clean went up 10 pounds (I have no form in power clean) and I trimmed down several pounds. It's not a miracle supplement, you still need a good diet and exercise.

Here are my stats now:

Weight: 173
Parallel Squat: 315
Bench Press: 225
Power Clean: 205
Front Squat: 255

I'd say it's done me pretty decent.

some nice stats bro, what routines did you use/are you on? im going to go try some strength training after i get better from this flu and i also need to figure out my 1rm's

[DanDoesWork]

I guess I have some good tips to share. I'm no professional body builder but I highly recommend using Jack3d for lifting weights. It's a pre-workout supplement that amplifies ATP (the stuff that makes you move, AKA energy) and increases reps and maxes. On Jack3d my bench went up 20 pounds, parallel squat went up 15 pounds, power clean went up 10 pounds (I have no form in power clean) and I trimmed down several pounds. It's not a miracle supplement, you still need a good diet and exercise.

Here are my stats now:

Weight: 173
Parallel Squat: 315
Bench Press: 225
Power Clean: 205
Front Squat: 255

I'd say it's done me pretty decent.

Eh never taken or heard of Jack3d, and most likely wont take it. I would just think that a person who takes it would just go crazy or make excuses once you don't have Jacked for that day. I'm usually good anytime i lift, 10-20 jogs, and then blast the music and lift some big ass weight

Day earlier
15min inclined walk
Squats 135x12, 225x8, 315x6,404x4,495,2,545x1,605x1
Front squats
4x15 135
Leg ext 3x15 200
Legpress 3x12 600lbs
Single leg squats 2x10
Frog Jumps (: Cramped up and will never do again!

Edited by dk8932, 12 January 2011 - 08:24 PM.

[Wil]

some nice stats bro, what routines did you use/are you on? im going to go try some strength training after i get better from this flu and i also need to figure out my 1rm's

Well, it'd be a long list so I'mma try to sum it up; I usually do a lap (1/4 mile) warm up, Do a core lift for for 10 minutes straight with 6 reps, 6 sets then turn to auxiliary (3 reps, 6 sets, depends on core I did that day) and finish with a cool down lift like up right rows

here's an example:

Monday:

Warmup Lap 3 minutes
Bench Press 6 reps 6 sets 10 minutes
Incline Bench 6 reps 3 sets 5 minutes
Dumbell Press 6 reps 3 sets 5 minutes
Tricep Extension (Skull Crushers) 6 reps 3 sets 5 minutes
Tricep Pressdown 6 reps 3 sets 5 minutes
Dumbell Flies 6 reps 3 sets 5minutes
Up right Rows 3 reps 3 sets 5 minutes

total: 45 minutes-ish

It's a shorter workout but it helps to isolate just the area you want to work on.

Eh never taken or heard of Jack3d, and most likely wont take it. I would just think that a person who takes it would just go crazy or make excuses once you don't have Jacked for that day. I'm usually good anytime i lift, 10-20 jogs, and then blast the music and lift some big ass weight

Huge misunderstanding right there. Jack3d amplifies ATP, which is energy. In no way does it affect you like testosterone pills or some other powders (one guy claimed he killed his wife due to using some powder or something. Pretty grisly.) At most you'd be like a person with a good dose of coffee. More of a nuisance than a threat.

Edited by Apothykrer, 12 January 2011 - 08:27 PM.

[DanDoesWork]

Huge misunderstanding right there. Jack3d amplifies ATP, which is energy. In no way does it affect you like testosterone pills or some other powders (one guy claimed he killed his wife due to using some powder or something. Pretty grisly.) At most you'd be like a person with a good dose of coffee. More of a nuisance than a threat.

Lol I know that is different then test boosters and etc. But Again I did say I did not know what it was, that was until I did my own research.I may go out and try it out, looks like it does contain Schizandrol A which tells me alot about the product (: I'm never against a product as long as it helps you out. But again usually I myself am fine with my lifts. Other powders? I hate hearing about roid rage and how it can kill -_-

Edited by dk8932, 12 January 2011 - 08:53 PM.

[Wil]

Lol I know that is different then test boosters and etc. But Again I did say I did not know what it was, that was until I did my own research.I may go out and try it out, looks like it does contain Schizandrol A which tells me alot about the product (: I'm never against a product as long as it helps you out. But again usually I myself am fine with my lifts. Other powders? I hate hearing about roid rage and how it can kill -_-

Which is why you have to stay away from testosterone pills. It's the rough equivalent of middle grade horse steroids to people around the age of 18 to 23-ish. I like Jack3d since it's pretty hard to break the instructions: never go over 3 scoops. It wears off and you don't feel much of a drop in energy depending on how hard you worked out of course. I recommend 1 scoop to start off with. The only negative thing I've heard about Jack3d was that some sensitive people do feel like their faces itch during the effect of it but nothing serious like kidney stones or something malevolent like that.

[DanDoesWork]

Which is why you have to stay away from testosterone pills. It's the rough equivalent of middle grade horse steroids to people around the age of 18 to 23-ish. I like Jack3d since it's pretty hard to break the instructions: never go over 3 scoops. It wears off and you don't feel much of a drop in energy depending on how hard you worked out of course. I recommend 1 scoop to start off with. The only negative thing I've heard about Jack3d was that some sensitive people do feel like their faces itch during the effect of it but nothing serious like kidney stones or something malevolent like that.

I'm pro for t-boosters. Never taken it before but met many people who have done so. A Lot of men, and women past 30-60yr old, and including people my age in the gym and in perfect health. Watch the Documentary bigger stronger fast (:it'll help clear up alot of misunderstood information about roids, and its uses. I have never met one user who has had a issue with health that directly correlated with the use of steroids. Roid rage is misunderstood by most of the people who don't know about testosterone boosters (:

Edited by dk8932, 12 January 2011 - 09:26 PM.

[neobrah]

Well, it'd be a long list so I'mma try to sum it up; I usually do a lap (1/4 mile) warm up, Do a core lift for for 10 minutes straight with 6 reps, 6 sets then turn to auxiliary (3 reps, 6 sets, depends on core I did that day) and finish with a cool down lift like up right rows

here's an example:

Monday:

Warmup Lap 3 minutes
Bench Press 6 reps 6 sets 10 minutes
Incline Bench 6 reps 3 sets 5 minutes
Dumbell Press 6 reps 3 sets 5 minutes
Tricep Extension (Skull Crushers) 6 reps 3 sets 5 minutes
Tricep Pressdown 6 reps 3 sets 5 minutes
Dumbell Flies 6 reps 3 sets 5minutes
Up right Rows 3 reps 3 sets 5 minutes

total: 45 minutes-ish

It's a shorter workout but it helps to isolate just the area you want to work on.


Huge misunderstanding right there. Jack3d amplifies ATP, which is energy. In no way does it affect you like testosterone pills or some other powders (one guy claimed he killed his wife due to using some powder or something. Pretty grisly.) At most you'd be like a person with a good dose of coffee. More of a nuisance than a threat.

my god, i hope you're supersetting those excercises or else rest between sets are like....15-30 seconds?

I'm pro for t-boosters. Never taken it before but met many people who have done so. A Lot of men, and women past 30-60yr old, and including people my age in the gym and in perfect health. Watch the Documentary bigger stronger fast (:it'll help clear up alot of misunderstood information about roids, and its uses. I have never met one user who has had a issue with health that directly correlated with the use of steroids. Roid rage is misunderstood by most of the people who don't know about testosterone boosters (:

im taking a testosterone stimulator herb, works pretty well so far. i agree steriods use has been blown way out of proportion. with proper cycling, pct, post and present then side effect should be minimal.

[DanDoesWork]

my god, i hope you're supersetting those excercises or else rest between sets are like....15-30 seconds?




im taking a testosterone stimulator herb, works pretty well so far. i agree steriods use has been blown way out of proportion. with proper cycling, pct, post and present then side effect should be minimal.

minimal and its all reversible! (:

[Barophobia]

other cheaper supplements you might want to look into are glucosamine sulfate which supports health and strength of connective tissues. this goes hand in hand with the ability for your body to support range of motion in of joints (around 10-15 bucks for 30 servings). you could also look into chondroitin and hyaluronic acid (however these are pretty expensive but reviews they have worked great)

Alright noted. If the flaxseed oil supplements doesnt work ima visit the pharm once more with a list

yah cold weather=bad for joints ;/ I get a very sharp pain in the cold it blows..just wondering does your knee hurt once you wake up? or walking up steps?

On bad days when i wake up yea, theres a sharp pain and it probably wont go away for the rest of the day. I usually end up applying heat rub lotion to ease the pain and wear a knee guard over. Walking up steps....Eh if i climb more than 3 stories really quick at one go then yea, it'll start to feel sore.

[Wil]

my god, i hope you're supersetting those excercises or else rest between sets are like....15-30 seconds?

Rest? You mean like after your done with a lift you immediately change weights for your next lift or rest as in you stand around? We're not really allowed to stand around in our class. Our coach gets pretty angry about that.

[DanDoesWork]

Monday:

Warmup Lap 3 minutes
Bench Press 6 reps 6 sets 10 minutes
Incline Bench 6 reps 3 sets 5 minutes
Dumbell Press 6 reps 3 sets 5 minutes
Tricep Extension (Skull Crushers) 6 reps 3 sets 5 minutes
Tricep Pressdown 6 reps 3 sets 5 minutes
Dumbell Flies 6 reps 3 sets 5minutes
Up right Rows 3 reps 3 sets 5 minutes

total: 45 minutes-ish

Rest? You mean like after your done with a lift you immediately change weights for your next lift or rest as in you stand around? We're not really allowed to stand around in our class. Our coach gets pretty angry about that. .

Ahh I prefer not to do upright rows...Prefer to do my dumb bell circle workout (sort of like DB raises) I think Brah means the break you take between each set... I personally like to get maximum effort out of lifts, so I don't prefer to do 15-30 secs but rather 1min. Your teacher doesn't like it when you stand around? Does he not like breaks between sets?

Alright noted. If the flaxseed oil supplements doesnt work ima visit the pharm once more with a list



On bad days when i wake up yea, theres a sharp pain and it probably wont go away for the rest of the day. I usually end up applying heat rub lotion to ease the pain and wear a knee guard over. Walking up steps....Eh if i climb more than 3 stories really quick at one go then yea, it'll start to feel sore.

hmmm you should try using WebMD, or Yahoo Questions for your problem. Their are some very great people on there who can point out what exactly might be wrong. Just make sure you add your weight, any previous doctors visits about your injury, symptoms, and etc. That's a pain that is just a bitch (:

[Wil]

Ahh I prefer not to do upright rows...Prefer to do my dumb bell circle workout (sort of like DB raises) I think Brah means the break you take between each set... I personally like to get maximum effort out of lifts, so I don't prefer to do 15-30 secs but rather 1min. Your teacher doesn't like it when you stand around? Does he not like breaks between sets?

No, hes a pretty strict guy. If we do it too much we do something called AA day. It's short for Attitude Adjustment. It's mostly just lunges with a plate [45 pounds] over our heads and bear crawls for the entire hour non-stop. He's fine if we drink water or blow our noses now and then but his motto is "You can sleep when your dead" as noted by the large board in the weights room that says "You can sleep when your dead" in big bold letters.

I don't really like dumb bell lifts. I've never really thought that dumb bell lifts help a lot. I prefer anything that focuses on more than a single area since I'm a discus and shot put thrower and use a lot of explosive power for it.

[DanDoesWork]

No, hes a pretty strict guy. If we do it too much we do something called AA day. It's short for Attitude Adjustment. It's mostly just lunges with a plate [45 pounds] over our heads and bear crawls for the entire hour non-stop. He's fine if we drink water or blow our noses now and then but his motto is "You can sleep when your dead" as noted by the large board in the weights room that says "You can sleep when your dead" in big bold letters.

I don't really like dumb bell lifts. I've never really thought that dumb bell lifts help a lot. I prefer anything that focuses on more than a single area since I'm a discus and shot put thrower and use a lot of explosive power for it.

Yea I used to throw back in highschool only for my senior year. Did shotput, jav, and a little discus. PRs were 48shotput, 164 jav throw, and discus was like 125? Not very good but was a great start for me in HS. Hbu? Full body work outs are great. I'm changing over to a powerlifting/olympic lifting program soon. Clean and press, powercleans, etc etc

GET YOUR PUMP ON!

[neobrah]

Rest? You mean like after your done with a lift you immediately change weights for your next lift or rest as in you stand around? We're not really allowed to stand around in our class. Our coach gets pretty angry about that.

coach?? is this for a sport?

[esilim]

It is very ironic, that a thread like this would appear on a site devoted to such a sedentary pass-time as an internet game.

[Wil]

Yea I used to throw back in highschool only for my senior year. Did shotput, jav, and a little discus. PRs were 48shotput, 164 jav throw, and discus was like 125? Not very good but was a great start for me in HS. Hbu? Full body work outs are great. I'm changing over to a powerlifting/olympic lifting program soon. Clean and press, powercleans, etc etc

GET YOUR PUMP ON!

^Little freaky^
This'll be my second year throwing. Last year I finished with 35' 5" on shot, 104' something on disc and we're not allowed to throw jav cause people get hurt or something.

And we call the weight lifting teacher "coach" since well... No one calls him anything else except "sir".

[neobrah]

^Little freaky^
This'll be my second year throwing. Last year I finished with 35' 5" on shot, 104' something on disc and we're not allowed to throw jav cause people get hurt or something.

And we call the weight lifting teacher "coach" since well... No one calls him anything else except "sir".

holy smokes, i think i only got 7-8 feet in shot put, although that was like elementry, i'd love to try it again tho. how heavy are the shot and disc

[Wil]

holy smokes, i think i only got 7-8 feet in shot put, although that was like elementry, i'd love to try it again tho. how heavy are the shot and disc

Shot is only 12 pounds and discus are only like 5 or so. This year I'm practicing with the college one which is 20 pounds I think.

[PeonYourLawn]

im taking a testosterone stimulator herb, works pretty well so far.

Decided to pull off the top 3 scientific articles off of scholar

Article 1

Spoiler

The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of the herbal preparation Tribulus terrestris (tribulus) on body composition and exercise performance in resistance-trained males. Fifteen subjects were randomly assigned to a placebo or tribulus (3.21 mg per kg body weight daily) group. Body weight, body composition, maximal strength, dietary intake, and mood states were determined before and after an 8-week exercise (periodized resistance training) and supplementation period. There were no changes in body weight, percentage fat, total body water, dietary intake, or mood states in either group. Muscle endurance (determined by the maximal number of repetitions at 100-200% of body weight) increased for the bench and leg press exercises in the placebo group (p <.05; bench press +/-28.4%, leg press +/-28.6%), while the tribulus group experienced an increase in leg press strength only (bench press +/-3.1%, not significant; leg press +/-28.6%, p <.05). Supplementation with tribulus does not enhance body composition or exercise performance in resistance-trained males.

Article 2

Spoiler

Objective:
The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males.




Results:
There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean ± S.D.: 15.75 ± 1.75 nmol/l);

Article 3

Spoiler

Abstract
The effects of androgen precursors, combined with herbal extracts designed to enhance testosterone formation and reduce conversion of androgens to estrogens was studied in young men. Subjects performed 3 days of resistance training per week for 8 weeks. Each day during Weeks 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, and 8, subjects consumed either placebo (PL; n = 10) or a supplement (ANDRO-6; n = 10), which contained daily doses of 300 mg androstenedione, 150 mg DHEA, 750 mg Tribulus terrestris, 625 mg Chrysin, 300 mg Indole-3-carbinol, and 540 mg Saw palmetto. Serum androstenedione concentrations were higher in ANDRO-6 after 2, 5, and 8 weeks (p <.05), while serum concentrations of free and total testosterone were unchanged in both groups. Serum estradiol was elevated at Weeks 2, 5, and 8 in ANDRO-6 (p <.05), and serum estrone was elevated at Weeks 5 and 8 (p <.05). Muscle strength increased (p <.05) similarly from Weeks 0 to 4, and again from Weeks 4 to 8 in both treatment groups. The acute effect of one third of the daily dose of ANDRO-6 and PL was studied in 10 men (23 +/- 4 years). Serum androstenedione concentrations were elevated (p <.05) in ANDRO-6 from 150 to 360 min after ingestion, while serum free or total testosterone concentrations were unchanged. These data provide evidence that the addition of these herbal extracts to androstenedione does not result in increased serum testosterone concentrations, reduce the estrogenic effect of androstenedione, and does not augment the adaptations to resistance training.

Article 4

Spoiler

Abstract
Tribulus terrestris is a nutritional supplement highly debated regarding its physiological and actual effects on the organism. The main claimed effect is an increase of testosterone anabolic and androgenic action through the activation of endogenous testosterone production. Even if this biological pathway is not entirely proven, T. terrestris is regularly used by athletes. Recently, the analysis of two female urine samples by GC/C/IRMS (gas chromatography/combustion/isotope-ratio-mass-spectrometry) conclusively revealed the administration of exogenous testosterone or its precursors, even if the testosterone glucuronide/epitestosterone glucuronide (T/E) ratio and steroid marker concentrations were below the cut-off values defined by World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA). To argue against this adverse analytical finding, the athletes recognized having used T. terrestris in their diet. In order to test this hypothesis, two female volunteers ingested 500mg of T. terrestris, three times a day and for two consecutive days. Hence, the short-term treatment with T. terrestris showed no impact on the endogenous testosterone metabolism of the two subjects.

*All articles were arbitrarily chosen with no bias towards those which supported the notion that TT did increase test levels


inb4 " iunno man i can kinda feel it in my dick herp derp derp"

[neobrah]

iunno man i can kinda feel it in my dick herp derp derp



but seriously with zma and tribulus i've been getting more restful sleeps, improved workouts, massive gains. maybe its just a placebo effect but i wake up with dat dere morning wood every day. also in class when girls wear leggings. i have to shift positions, and can't even think sometimes.

[PeonYourLawn]

iunno man i can kinda feel it in my dick herp derp derp



but seriously with zma and tribulus i've been getting more restful sleeps, improved workouts, massive gains. maybe its just a placebo effect but i wake up with dat dere morning wood every day. also in class when girls wear leggings. i have to shift positions, and can't even think sometimes.

i know right fuark HAHAHAHA

u just creep without even realizing it to the point where u dont give a fuck and u just stare...imagine ppl watching u stare..

[neobrah]

i know right fuark HAHAHAHA

u just creep without even realizing it to the point where u dont give a fuck and u just stare...imagine ppl watching u stare..

they stare, i ain't even mad



come to think of it, i think girls look better not in jeans