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[Bone]

Considering they spectacularly failed to rule correctly in a lot of recent landmark cases, this is surprising and heartening news!

I had actually predicted that the taxing clause would be used to justify the decision, but I'm shocked that Roberts went so far as to write the opinion.

Discuss this step towards socialism/civility.

[Zildjian]

It allows the FDA to approve more generic drugs. This will drive down prices. This is fantastic.
Increase in drug rebates. Also fantastic.
Will lead the way to get rid of "pre-existing" conditions for insurance. Also fantastic.
Tax on tanning booths! This is great because tanning booths are stupid and pale chicks are hot.
No pre existing condition for children under the age of 19. Amazing.
Isurers can't drop customers once they get sick. This is extremely important and will lead to better lives for all.
Creates a limit on insurers profit. This will cause the price of insurance to be less.
Increase of taxes by 0.9% if you make over 200k. 200k is a ton of money and way above the national average anyway.
Doctors pay will be determine by quality of their care not how many people they treat. This may cause issues with people wanting to become doctors less.

Overall, I believe this will be a huge benefit to our society and perhaps we one day will finally treat our citizens as well as other countries in the EU treat their own.

[pyke]

Surprised at Roberts here. A more conservative judge crosses part lines for an important decision!

[Shwag]

According to reddit

John Roberts is the Severus Snape of SCOTUS.

Made me lol

[KaibaSama]

I'll say this:
I'm happy not with the regular "you must have insurance" thing (which seems to be what many people were angry about ) but because the law says an insurance provider can't charge me more than a guy just because I'm female (that and the fact they can't cap your health care, since women tend to live longer and thus use more health care).

And now I can stay on my parents plan for a while after I turn 18 (I think it's 25-26)

The tanning tax is a good thing, tanning can give you cancer.

Edited by Satsuki, 28 June 2012 - 07:07 AM.

[Bone]

I'll say this:
I'm happy not with the regular "you must have insurance" thing (which seems to be what many people were angry about ) but because the law says an insurance provider can't charge me more than a guy just because I'm female (that and the fact they can't cap your health care, since women tend to live longer and thus use more health care).

And now I can stay on my parents plan for a while after I turn 18 (I think it's 25-26)

The tanning tax is a good thing, tanning can give you cancer.

It's 26.

I agree about the tanning tax, but my aunt who owns a very successful tanning salon is visiting for the next few days. I'll be sure not to bring it up...

[Nymh]

I'll say this:
I'm happy not with the regular "you must have insurance" thing (which seems to be what many people were angry about ) but because the law says an insurance provider can't charge me more than a guy just because I'm female (that and the fact they can't cap your health care, since women tend to live longer and thus use more health care).

And now I can stay on my parents plan for a while after I turn 18 (I think it's 25-26)

The tanning tax is a good thing, tanning can give you cancer.

I disagree. Women should have to pay more for health insurance because statistically we live longer, get sick more often than men and pop out babies - the majority of which are born in expensive hospitals. And since American women are allergic to pain and long labors we require additional expensive and (for the most part) unnecessary things like epidurals, pitocin, and in many instances C-sections. Then we lay around on our asses for 2-3 days (or as long as the insurance will pay for) before finally letting them discharge us and going home. I know not everyone is this way (I wasn't) but it is a definite trend. The premium that females pay shouldn't be a huge difference from that of the men but I would not be at all offended to have to pay an extra $5 a month or so.

I also don't think that tanning should be taxed just because it can give you cancer. That's kind of silly; but it is a non-essential. Fortunately (for the tanners, unfortunately for the government) tanning is not exactly addictive so if the price goes up to an uncomfortable amount people will just stop going. Hopefully. I love to sun-bathe, but only when it's free.

[KaibaSama]

RIght $5 a month or a small amount is fine, but when you charge hundeds (I'd say $400 more a month)/thousands more and classify a woman as a "pre-existing condition" there's something not right about that. You're right we do use more heath care and should pay more in premiums, but not in very high amounts, because with the high amounts it starts going "what can't we charge them for and at what prices?". As for the tanning tax, true we don't really tax soda even though large amounts can cause obesity (besides sales tax), but I suppose it would make people especially teens think more about tanning too often.

[Nymh]

Our child was under glass for more than a week. My beloved was discharged less than 24 hours, 24 hours is Customary now, so you bet thats about all insurance will want to pay. She was torn, bleeding, and luckily I'm able to restitch and do some pretty good wound care. Hundreds of women die from bleeding because they're discharged so quickly.

If a woman is torn and bleeding but is discharged anyway then the doctor is to blame. So many doctors are there only for the delivery - the nurses are expected to do everything else and the doctor signs off on it. For routine deliveries/recoveries 24 hours may be the norm but if a woman has a problem then it should not be considered as or treated as routine.

[MarvelGirl]

You're right we do use more heath care and should pay more in premiums,

Do we??.....men have prostate's and testicles both of which are prone to cancer. Men also have long term illness while a women may pop out a baby but she is up and running in a day or two.

I guess we do live longer so it does make sense a little but honestly I think it is a wash. I definitly do not know all the facts, this is just my first thought. It does incent me to go look at the stats.

I will say HOORAY for Roberts. I am proud of what he did today.

Ya, if you want to be tan, do the right way and be born an NDN!

Umm did not have a choice of what I would look like when I was conceived.

. She was torn, bleeding, and luckily I'm able to restitch and do some pretty good wound care.

That is terrible! Also, this has left a visual in my head that will ensure I never have children! OUCH!

[Bone]

Do we??.....men have prostate's and testicles both of which are prone to cancer.

Forget about breast cancer?

Men also have long term illness while a women may pop out a baby but she is up and running in a day or two.

Women also have long-term illnesses...

[iargue]

Do we??.....men have prostate's and testicles both of which are prone to cancer. Men also have long term illness while a women may pop out a baby but she is up and running in a day or two.

A)You also have a prostate.
B)You have ovaries, which are also prone to cancer
C)you have breasts, which are prone to cancer
D)You don't just "pop out a baby". First. It takes 9 months, and the insurance pays for the ultra sound and every time you go in for a checkup to make sure the baby is fine. They also pay for the morphine and the delivery, and for the stay in the hospital, not to mention if the baby has conditions upon birth and needs surgery or something (My baby brother had to have a tube in his lung because it was filled with water) or if they need a c-section. Not to mention the vaccinations and such that a child needs as it grows up. Children are expensive as fuck.
E)You also are capable of catching all diseases as men are (I have never heard of any rare disease that only catches men, but maybe i'm wrong)
F)Menopause

[Nymh]

Do we??.....men have prostate's and testicles both of which are prone to cancer. Men also have long term illness while a women may pop out a baby but she is up and running in a day or two.

Other than the bit about the children's vaccinations and stuff (which would be on the children's health insurance, not the woman's) iargue pretty much said all of what I wanted to say in response to this.

[Bone]

D)You don't just "pop out a baby". First. It takes 9 months, and the insurance pays for the ultra sound and every time you go in for a checkup to make sure the baby is fine. They also pay for the morphine and the delivery, and for the stay in the hospital, not to mention if the baby has conditions upon birth and needs surgery or something (My baby brother had to have a tube in his lung because it was filled with water) or if they need a c-section. Not to mention the vaccinations and such that a child needs as it grows up. Children are expensive as fuck.

Every child has a father. The burden of childcare shouldn't be placed exclusively on the mother, whether through increased insurance premiums or otherwise.

[Nymh]

Every child has a father. The burden of childcare shouldn't be placed exclusively on the mother, whether through increased insurance premiums or otherwise.

The procedures are being performed on the mother. How could the baby having a father help it cost less money?

[Sweeney]

Autism (mainly). Duchenne Muscular dystrophy (exclusive) testicular cancers,

Much as it pains me to side with iargue, none of those are diseases.

[iargue]

Other than the bit about the children's vaccinations and stuff (which would be on the children's health insurance, not the woman's) iargue pretty much said all of what I wanted to say in response to this.

Every child has a father. The burden of childcare shouldn't be placed exclusively on the mother, whether through increased insurance premiums or otherwise.

I was just going on and on about how children are expensive . But yeah, vaccinations are kinda after child birth, and would be part of the insurance increase for the child, not for being a woman.

They should give discounts to sterile women though, bless their souls.

[Bone]

The procedures are being performed on the mother. How could the baby having a father help it cost less money?

I'm saying it's unfair for women to pay higher premiums due to a condition that's equally the fault of a man in every situation.