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Posted 02 October 2012 - 11:30 PM

She wrote this when she was 18 and most of you will draw blanks trying to understand it.

Lady Gaga is smarter than the underground musicians you listen to.

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The terms of the human body, some might say, are determined through a theoretical dissection of both the private environments and public atmospheres in which we live. By terms, the rules and evaluations of bodily condition, I mean to establish a division of perception. The first divide is that of the social body, the perception of our bodies in relation to a larger intellectual and sexual community, one that views each other in groups. The second divide is the condition of our nature, a perception of the body without relation or comparison, a singular entity that is independent, formless, and free. This segregation of seeing is general and yet universal because it capitalizes our differences. By examining these seeming generalizations, we break them down. It is through a demolition and reconstruction of these concepts that we can assign specificity and reason to these ways in which we look.

It is in the freeing of both natural and artificial bodies that art is created. For while some artist’s depend on the predisposition of their subjects to provide the work with it’s primary message and meaning, other artists rely on a temporal and physical freedom, an ability to use objects while also freeing them of their social significance and thus endowing them with endless possibilities of form. Spencer Tunick, an installations artist and photographer, struggled to achieve this freedom as a working artist in New York City. This artist is most famous for his installations, often characterized by masses of naked people arranged together in domestic locations, and in countries from every continent of the world. Removed of sexual implication or intention, the nudes are used primarily and only as intended by the artist, as an exploration of the shape, contour, and texture of the naked body. Spencer is fascinated by the metamorphosis of the human body into a form, and the effect that his chosen locations have on this new shape (and vice versa). In this way, the naked bodies are Spencer’s clay, and he uses them in the same manner that a painter uses oils or a sculptor uses marble.

This way that the artist looks at the body, is a radical contradiction to Western society’s view of the nakedness. In the eyes of some of his critics, Spencer’s work invades social privacy not only through the art, which to them degrades the sacredness of the body by exposing it in mass nudity, but also in the making of his art which requires an abnormal amount of public nudity, indecent exposure. Tunick challenges traditional ideas of intimacy, and asks us to free the body of sexuality and view it aesthetically for the purpose of his art. The social body cannot exist, most specifically in the nude, as anything other then a sexual thing. This is our naked condition.

The analysis of form, while an engaging arc to follow, can also reveal an inverse exploration of the body. An examination of the deformed. This word, Michel de Montaigne addresses in his essay Of A Monstrous Child, suggesting that the existence of a social body is formless, but far from free. He describes the figure of a boy, below the breast he was fastened and stuck to another child, without a head, and with his spinal canal stopped up, the rest of his body being entire ( Lopate 57). Montaigne paints for us, a portrait of the boy’s physical form, or rather his de-form. With fastened, stuck, and stopped as his verbal interpretation of a Siamese twin, he illustrates how a human body, or form, can possess a lack of freedom in that it is harnessed to its disabilities in a physical way. For the deformed, there is an ownership of one’s difference, an ownership that is visible and undisputable. Through a scenic description of a deformed child, Montaigne uses the different shapes and contours of the child’s deformed body in order to create a visual contrast between what is ordinary and what is unordinary.

The perceptions of the nude and the deformed both manifest out of a concept of the social body, and the ideological contrast and visible conflict that is created in their presence. In Of A Monstrous Child, Montaigne asks us to consider the way we look at the body, and at each other. Montaigne suggests:
What we call monsters are not so to God, who sees in the immensity of his work the infinity of forms that he has comprised in it; and it is for us to believe that this figure that astonishes us is related and linked to some other figure of the same kind unknown to man. (58)

When we view something contrary to custom we assign them a monstrous quality. We infer based on something’s lack of ordinariness that it is disgusting or somehow linked to something inhumane, in some cases one might say uncivilized. In light of Montaigne’s theory, that we assign the unordinary with a monstrous condition, we can see the viewpoint from which art critics, the government, and the public, condemn Spencer Tunick’s work with naked bodies. Because it is not socially ordinary; it is irregular to see that many nudes amassed at one time, the art possesses a grotesque quality for the viewer.

This assigned foreignness can be designated as a kind of artistic racism, a public perception that handicaps from seeing and experiencing different forms, whether artistic or natural. There is an error in our perception, that our perception of the human body is somehow flawed. We call contrary to nature what we call contrary to custom (Lopate 58). We are trained only to be accepting of the regular, and it is this blindness that prevents us from seeing the prodigy in that which we have never seen before.
It is possible that in our naked form, in our deformed, that we are not only exposing our vulnerability, our skin, our scars, our flaws, and our genitals. But we also are exposing our secrets.

In spite of Montaigne’s great idealism, this perspective that allows us to choose the way in which we view the body, there is still an unavoidable clause that needs analyses. Sexuality manifests most physically in the form in the human body. Kenneth Tynan, author of several sexually thematic plays, including OH! Calcutta, a show done entirely in the nude, has expressed in his published diaries a personal infatuation with sexuality, and an interest in its relationship to society and history. In an October entry during 1972, just a few years after OH! Calcutta closed; he ventures to further his knowledge and fascination through psychoanalysis, and provides us with the perspective of what some might call an artistic sex-maniac. Unlike Spencer Tunick’s work, Tynan embraces the human body’s sexuality as its primary and most important function; it is a body that cannot be freed of its sexual condition. He criticizes Freud who hypothesized an ideal sexual act, from which all deviations [sexual fetishes] were heresies to be purified by confession and rooted out in the annealing fires of analyses (Lahr 103). While attempting to escape the stereotype of a sex-hungry chauvinist, Tynan finds Freud’s interpretation of sexual goodness, which is ultimately an interpretation of intercourse in relationship to society and nature, to lack an understanding of the human relationship with body. He calls his work ideal, and reveals a kind of disgust for the psychoanalytic world in relation to sexual nature, classifying Freud’s writing as scorching fire, a method of analyses that distorts our human nature by searing its purpose and condition in society. This modern sexual relationship, is evident most clearly for Tynan in an Euro sexual openness, a perspective that embraces fetish and profane desire as our most fundamental and primitive form of sex, seeing the human body only as a form with sexual signification.


Edited by Khaligula, 02 October 2012 - 11:31 PM.


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 11:51 PM

To be completely honest, I don't care if she's smarter than you, me, my favourite artists etc, she just doesn't make music I like :V Her being ~*smarter*~ than x isn't gonna suddenly make me like her!!
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 12:12 AM

I'm sure if most people of a basic education studied something detail for a period of years could write a few paragraphs about it and chuck it through a thesaurus.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 01:03 AM

I'm sure if most people of a basic education studied something detail for a period of years could write a few paragraphs about it and chuck it through a thesaurus.


All the concepts she used are fairly common in post-modern literature and continental philosophy. The fact that you think it's the byproduct of a thesaurus just shows how below her some people are, in this particular field of expertise.

What y'all think about that? All y'all people thinking lady gaga was dumb... turns out she's a genius and you failed to comprehend her art. What y'all think about that?

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 01:48 AM

I think most people with a decent vocabulary could write something like that if they studied art for a semester (which I'm assuming is the reason for why she wrote that paper). It's not even hard to follow, but her writing style does get a bit annoying. I've never really seen anyone criticise lady gaga as being stupid. Most criticisms seem to lay in the quality of her music, which is almost completely independent of her intelligence anyways (at least in the manner you're describing). I would have actually argued that she is either quite intelligent, or has an intelligent team behind her, because she markets herself quite brilliantly.

edit: also, not only does that paper not scream genius, but without a context or background you can't really comment on it, lol. However, from the brief amount of reading I've done on Lady Gaga, she does appear to be quite naturally talented when it comes to music, which is without a doubt a meaningful form of intelligence.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 02:01 AM

I think most people with a decent vocabulary could write something like that if they studied art for a semester (which I'm assuming is the reason for why she wrote that paper). It's not even hard to follow, but her writing style does get a bit annoying. I've never really seen anyone criticise lady gaga as being stupid. Most criticisms seem to lay in the quality of her music, which is almost completely independent of her intelligence anyways (at least in the manner you're describing). I would have actually argued that she is either quite intelligent, or has an intelligent team behind her, because she markets herself quite brilliantly.

edit: also, not only does that paper not scream genius, but without a context or background you can't really comment on it, lol. However, from the brief amount of reading I've done on Lady Gaga, she does appear to be quite naturally talented when it comes to music, which is without a doubt a meaningful form of intelligence.


She wrote the essay as a freshman in university when she was 17. You aren't introduced to art this way. She isn't discussing art, anyway, she's discussing social restrictions and controls on the human body and how art subverts them. Begging for the first nigga here to have written something with the conceptual depth of that essay at the age of 17. Begging for the first one lulz.

Edited by Khaligula, 03 October 2012 - 02:02 AM.


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Posted 03 October 2012 - 02:20 AM

All the concepts she used are fairly common in post-modern literature and continental philosophy. The fact that you think it's the byproduct of a thesaurus just shows how below her some people are, in this particular field of expertise.


I already mentioned the fact that if someone had studied this particular field for a prolonged period of time they would produce the same results. I could possibly do the same for US/UK politics, psychology, sociology, crime, law, media, history and governmental procedures.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 03:11 AM

She wrote the essay as a freshman in university when she was 17. You aren't introduced to art this way. She isn't discussing art, anyway, she's discussing social restrictions and controls on the human body and how art subverts them. Begging for the first nigga here to have written something with the conceptual depth of that essay at the age of 17. Begging for the first one lulz.


Exactly: this is University level, there's no question of that. Many 1st year Uni students are 17, so while she no doubt has some intelligence behind her, there's nothing genius about it. I have to admit, I have a very shallow understanding of art, having never studied it nor displayed any interest in it. However, that's not to say I haven't written essays in other fields and similarly received high marks, which isn't exactly indicative of a genius level intelligence lol. Most people can be trained to articulate themselves and to write well (there are many University workshops which teach you how to write essays in that very format), so obviously if you've studied anything for a prolonged period of time (like Frizzle keeps repeating), it wouldn't be hard to replicate that paper.

During my final year of highschool, my English class was for 12 months structured around how to write essays and deconstruct/analyse texts (we had 2 novels we had to study over the course of 12 months, i.e. one a semester). You can imagine that after 6 months of studying one text, almost everybody was able to write a highly structured essays with profound depth. That by no means suggests that the class was full of geniuses :p

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 03:56 AM

I'll agree that's a very insightful and convincing essay. I'll also agree I probably couldn't write one.

Lady Gaga also went to a prestigious and expensive, all-girls Catholic school in her formative years. It's fair to say she had a very good education and her talents were nurtured by her teachers and parents. I'm sure she has had her letdowns in life, and sometimes she seems flaky and insincere, but she does whatever she wants- whenever she wants, she works hard, she's good to her fans, and I fucking love her.

This picture of her inspires me.
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 04:59 AM

The essay obviously shows that she is smart, but I think what really makes her a genius is her self expression. She is a pop genius if ever there was one.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:02 AM

For while some artist’s depend on the predisposition of their subjects to provide the work with it’s primary message and meaning, other artists rely on a temporal and physical freedom, an ability to use objects while also freeing them of their social significance and thus endowing them with endless possibilities of form.


And this is why she's not smarter than me.

I would have gotten an F on this paper. It's riddled with misspelled words. The last paragraph is horrendous. She uses more commas than even I did when I was 17 (and I was Queen of the Comma Splice).

Sure, she has an open way of looking at the human body, unrestricted by and meant to stretch societal norms regarding nudity and conventions of sexuality and blah blah blah. Don't a lot of artists share this quality? Great, she wrote a mediocre paper on it when she was 17 and found a couple of other artists whose work likely helped inspire the Gaga that we see today. That doesn't mean she's smarter than any or all of us.

The conceptual depth that you find so fascinating isn't really all that astonishing, to be honest. This was a college paper. As a freshman, she probably didn't have much choice in what she wrote about. This was her response to a specific assignment. It's nice that she could grasp the concept of her assignment, but that doesn't make her a genius.

I agree that she's inspired and a visionary and her marketing and branding has been prolific. She's a skinny little pocket-sized blonde that can dance around in 12 inch heels and somehow she makes me feel better about my own body and better about (and even a little proud of) myself for being the fucked up person that I am. That is where her genius lies.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:17 AM

I got bored, halfway, reading that essay...

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:31 AM

And this is why she's not smarter than me.

I would have gotten an F on this paper. It's riddled with misspelled words. The last paragraph is horrendous. She uses more commas than even I did when I was 17 (and I was Queen of the Comma Splice).


Contrary to popular belief, someone's degree of mastery over the english language is not a real indication of their intelligence.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:34 AM

Contrary to popular belief, someone's degree of mastery over the english language is not a real indication of their intelligence.


Happy October 3rd Africa.

I love Lady Gaga and think that she knows how to market and sell herself. I think she deserves her celebrity, unlike... well many people. To say she's a genius? Well... that's a bit much.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:37 AM

Contrary to popular belief, someone's degree of mastery over the english language is not a real indication of their intelligence.


What I'm saying is that he is touting this paper as proof that she's smarter than everyone and asserting that it is difficult for most people to understand when it's not. There is nothing extraordinary about this paper. It's poorly written, and the concept behind it was given to her in an assignment. We should be applauding what truly makes her a genius, not bestowing genius onto a paper that any college freshman could have written.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 05:59 AM

My university has a 10,000 word minimum writing requirement for every single class. I could've cranked this shit out in an hour. I'd like to see Gaga do a 25 page market analysis and business report on the San Diego solar panel industry then come at me.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 06:01 AM

My university has a 10,000 word minimum writing requirement for every single class. I could've cranked this shit out in an hour. I'd like to see Gaga do a 25 page market analysis and business report on the San Diego solar panel industry then come at me.


she'd just pay someone to do it with her vast amount of money

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 06:04 AM

I already mentioned the fact that if someone had studied this particular field for a prolonged period of time they would produce the same results. I could possibly do the same for US/UK politics, psychology, sociology, crime, law, media, history and governmental procedures.


bahahaha sorry but I can say with 100% certainty that whatever understanding you have of psychology or sociology is elementary at best. Most of her article is covered by sociological theory and you failed to recognize that.

My university has a 10,000 word minimum writing requirement for every single class. I could've cranked this shit out in an hour. I'd like to see Gaga do a 25 page market analysis and business report on the San Diego solar panel industry then come at me.


sorry mishelle but I've seen you discuss
you don't have that in you lol. Business is elementary.

And this is why she's not smarter than me.

I would have gotten an F on this paper. It's riddled with misspelled words. The last paragraph is horrendous. She uses more commas than even I did when I was 17 (and I was Queen of the Comma Splice).

Sure, she has an open way of looking at the human body, unrestricted by and meant to stretch societal norms regarding nudity and conventions of sexuality and blah blah blah. Don't a lot of artists share this quality? Great, she wrote a mediocre paper on it when she was 17 and found a couple of other artists whose work likely helped inspire the Gaga that we see today. That doesn't mean she's smarter than any or all of us.

The conceptual depth that you find so fascinating isn't really all that astonishing, to be honest. This was a college paper. As a freshman, she probably didn't have much choice in what she wrote about. This was her response to a specific assignment. It's nice that she could grasp the concept of her assignment, but that doesn't make her a genius.

I agree that she's inspired and a visionary and her marketing and branding has been prolific. She's a skinny little pocket-sized blonde that can dance around in 12 inch heels and somehow she makes me feel better about my own body and better about (and even a little proud of) myself for being the fucked up person that I am. That is where her genius lies.


Stopped reading during the second paragraph, when I realized this person still believes in grammatical prescriptivism. /thread

Definitely not up to date with post-modern ideology.

Edited by Khaligula, 03 October 2012 - 06:05 AM.


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Posted 03 October 2012 - 06:07 AM

Stopped reading during the second paragraph, when I realized this person still believes in grammatical prescriptivism. /thread

Definitely not up to date with post-modern ideology.


Then you missed the meat, lol :lol2:

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 06:09 AM

Exactly: this is University level, there's no question of that. Many 1st year Uni students are 17, so while she no doubt has some intelligence behind her, there's nothing genius about it. I have to admit, I have a very shallow understanding of art, having never studied it nor displayed any interest in it. However, that's not to say I haven't written essays in other fields and similarly received high marks, which isn't exactly indicative of a genius level intelligence lol. Most people can be trained to articulate themselves and to write well (there are many University workshops which teach you how to write essays in that very format), so obviously if you've studied anything for a prolonged period of time (like Frizzle keeps repeating), it wouldn't be hard to replicate that paper.

During my final year of highschool, my English class was for 12 months structured around how to write essays and deconstruct/analyse texts (we had 2 novels we had to study over the course of 12 months, i.e. one a semester). You can imagine that after 6 months of studying one text, almost everybody was able to write a highly structured essays with profound depth. That by no means suggests that the class was full of geniuses :p


That's the thing. She isn't analyzing an artist... much less a bunch of photographs. You take a year analyzing photographs, you won't get any new insight from them. She places the photographs within a social context and makes the analysis from there. Art history and most specifically art theory aren't fields you get to study in depth as a freshman due to their intersection with other fields of knowledge. She went to college well-versed in these subjects while the humanists here were still discovering trite shit like determinism and existentialism.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 06:10 AM

It looks like this is turning into a debate. Hmm.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 06:12 AM

It looks like this is turning into a debate. Hmm.


which? The validity of the essay or the intelligence of the OP?

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 06:14 AM

which? The validity of the essay or the intelligence of the OP?


I doubt there's much debate to be had about either of those subjects.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 06:15 AM

bahahaha sorry but I can say with 100% certainty that whatever understanding you have of psychology or sociology is elementary at best. Most of her article is covered by sociological theory and you failed to recognize that.



sorry mishelle but I've seen you discuss
you don't have that in you lol. Business is elementary.


I've seen you discuss and you've proven yourself to be unworthy of discussing anything with the likes of me.

That's the thing. She isn't analyzing an artist... much less a bunch of photographs. You take a year analyzing photographs, you won't get any new insight from them. She places the photographs within a social context and makes the analysis from there. Art history and most specifically art theory aren't fields you get to study in depth as a freshman due to their intersection with other fields of knowledge. She went to college well-versed in these subjects while the humanists here were still discovering trite shit like determinism and existentialism.


I took Art History in high school. Existentialism is gone over in 10th grade English composition. What school did you go to because that would kind of explain a lot about you if you really think any of this is mind-blowing.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 06:19 AM

This person is questioning the fact that the human body is sexualized. Do y'all realize what that means? This person is openly questioning and criticizing the fact that nudity is sexualized.

Remember when I made a thread about monogamy and you didn't even have it in you to truly question that beyond what it meant in your personal lives? The most absurd institution still existing in society?
& y'all saying you can write this essay discussing something as grounded in our psyches as what we may or may not perceive as sexual?

Nop lol. Tone it down a bit, fellas. You ain't bout that life.

I've seen you discuss and you've proven yourself to be unworthy of discussing anything with the likes of me.



I took Art History in high school.


Missed the phrase 'in depth'.
Has failed to argue how lady gaga is stupid beyond "she doesnt write papaz on business"
Still believes "da media controlz society"
Fails to acknowledge the level of dynamic cultural analysis between society and media that underlines this essay because she's still on that 15 'yr old i h8 maintreamz' mindset.
Not at par with Lady Gaga.

Edited by Khaligula, 03 October 2012 - 06:19 AM.



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