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[Reddon]

If a woman got a tubal litigation without communicating with her husband, it could directly harm more than one party.

 

If a man got a vasectomy without communicating with his partner, it could directly harm her too. Poor communication will fuck you over. This is basic common sense and not a reason to make these restrictions.

Edited by Reddon, 28 April 2014 - 05:38 AM.

[Trichomes]

I don't think it is the job of legislation to protect people from the consequences of their own decisions - only to protect others from the consequences of those decisions.

 

I agree. They could provide counseling to women interested in having this procedure done rather than applying an age restriction.

 

I'm also shocked that no one has mentioned you can always adopt if you change your mind about having kids later in life.

[Ali]

Unfortunately that becomes a bit of a moot point once you realise you could apply that same reasoning to anything restricted by age.

 

What magical physiological changes do you see when you turn 18 or 21? (sex & drinking?) None.

 

I think in this case medical practitioners want to "err on the side of caution" and prevent unnecessary expensive and invasive surgery for patients that might not have fully considered all of the options. 25 is still fairly young in our lifespan, and in most western societies, not many people have had three children by that point.

 

I think forcing some women, e.g. Kate, to wait 2 years for the surgery is far better than opening the doors and allowing women everywhere to get a "tubectomy" willy-nilly. This way means that a small minority of women who have kids early will 'suffer' (in a very light sense of the word), while the majority remain protected against their own potentially mistaken, irreversible decision. 

Hence why in the UK it's pretty difficult to have it done under 30 unless you have a whole brood of children and a sympathetic doctor - it's an arbitrary number made up by the people in charge. So I've likely got another 5 years of endangering my health for absolutely no good reason because someone decided that's the way it should be. Not that I'm bitter or anything.

[Dan]

Hence why in the UK it's pretty difficult to have it done under 30 unless you have a whole brood of children and a sympathetic doctor - it's an arbitrary number made up by the people in charge. So I've likely got another 5 years of endangering my health for absolutely no good reason because someone decided that's the way it should be. Not that I'm bitter or anything.

 

That's understandable - your situation is obviously in the minority, and I bet if you kicked up enough of a fuss with a referral from a gynaecologist you'd be able to get it done on the NHS.

 

Whether it's worth the hassle is up to you - it could just end up easier to solve the problem by continuing to use other contraceptive methods.

[Doomsday]

As for the 25 year old thing, it's because there's an irrational thought that people are more mature once they have reached that age.  In some cases it's true but I know some people in their 30's and who act worse then some 18 year old.

 

Renting Cars - It's about assumed experience.  Most people can get their permits at 16-17, full license by the time they're 20 so by age 25 they have potentially 5-9 years of experience behind the wheel of a car.  Insurance runs under the same sort of assumption all based on assumed experience of the driver but also that someone in their mid 20's has a bit more life experience, cares more about their job (if employed) and losing a license can affect your job, have more responsibilities then a younger person and have spent time building a life around having their own transport.

[Cupcakes]

I am a 24 year old woman. I've known since I was a very young girl (probably 9/10) that I don't want children. Instead of being able to say this as a fact, I am CONSTANTLY being told "Oh, hunny, I was the same way! Wait until you fall in love with the right person." or "Ha, ha, hunny, you'll grow up and change your mind some day." No. I will not. I do not want children, I want you to treat my decision with dignity and respect, the same way I treat your decision with respect. 

 

I am not eligible to get my tubes tied where I'm from. When I talked to my OB about the possibility she actually laughed at me and told me I had no choice but to wait. It is absolutely ridiculous and unfair. Just because I'm a woman does not mean I want children, nor am I obliged to have children.

 

I feel you, girl, trust me. It's absolute BS.

[Yung]

Would it not be completely out of the question to go elsewhere and have your tubes tied our of your province? Provided you have acceptable insurance I think most American doctors would do the procedure.

[Boggart]

Would it not be completely out of the question to go elsewhere and have your tubes tied our of your province? Provided you have acceptable insurance I think most American doctors would do the procedure.

We really don't have additional insurance on top of our healthcare.

[Yung]

We really don't have additional insurance on top of our healthcare.

 

Well getting private healthcare is supposedly affordable these days all we gotta do is go to www.scamusoutofourmoney.gov or some shit. >.>

 

lol.

 

healthcare.gov is supposed to be the site. I hear the issues with it are severe though. I have private insurance through my place of employment so I didn't have to go through the headache of that site.

[Boggart]

Well getting private healthcare is supposedly affordable these days all we gotta do is go to www.scamusoutofourmoney.gov or some shit. >.>

 

lol.

 

healthcare.gov is supposed to be the site. I hear the issues with it are severe though. I have private insurance through my place of employment so I didn't have to go through the headache of that site.

I'm not sure Canadians can really sign up on that

[jinq]

We really don't have additional insurance on top of our healthcare.

And then you wait to death because they thought you only had a minor health problem.

[Boggart]

And then you wait to death because they thought you only had a minor health problem.

ehhhh that's not really how it works.

 

It's more like "we know you have a severe issue but there's a huge wait list soooooooo by the time you'll get treated you're fucked"

[Kat]

Would it not be completely out of the question to go elsewhere and have your tubes tied our of your province? Provided you have acceptable insurance I think most American doctors would do the procedure.

 

No, there's a similar policy in America where most, if not all, doctors will tell you to wait until a certain age. (25 I believe.)

Unless there's a medical reason to do a procedure, no doctor is going to take your organs out willy-nilly.

 

Edit: grammar

Edited by Kat, 03 May 2014 - 07:43 PM.

[jinq]

ehhhh that's not really how it works.

 

It's more like "we know you have a severe issue but there's a huge wait list soooooooo by the time you'll get treated you're fucked"

Depends on the disease. Some when treated right away means full cure while a few days delay means certain death. If you get a misdiagnosis, well tough luck.

[Kat]

As an American, I find it really funny when people bitch about socialised medicine.

[jinq]

As an American, I find it really funny when people bitch about socialised medicine.

Depends on your income

[Ali]

Depends on the disease. Some when treated right away means full cure while a few days delay means certain death. If you get a misdiagnosis, well tough luck.

That's true of any healthcare system though...With most things it's best to start preventing and/or curing as soon as possible and until we have an entirely flawless system in place, delays and misdiagnosis are unfortunately a fact of life. Human error.

[Boggart]

Depends on the disease. Some when treated right away means full cure while a few days delay means certain death. If you get a misdiagnosis, well tough luck.

That might be an issue of competence of doctor than the health system though

[Kat]

Depends on your income

 

Elaborate?

[Boggart]

As an American, I find it really funny when people bitch about socialised medicine.

For some reason I just thought of a hospital with really friendly people

 

then others bitching about it

That's true of any healthcare system though...With most things it's best to start preventing and/or curing as soon as possible and until we have an entirely flawless system in place, delays and misdiagnosis are unfortunately a fact of life. Human error.

I thought you were sleeping

[Ali]

As an American, I find it really funny when people bitch about socialised medicine.

Soon, you can experience the wonder of the NHS too! (To be fair, I flipping love it most of the time. I've abused the hell out of it over the years)

 

I thought you were sleeping

Can't. My bodyclock is destroyed.

[Kat]

For some reason I just thought of a hospital with really friendly people

 

then others bitching about it

I thought you were sleeping

 

That's basically what they are doing.

 

Nope, not quite yet!

[jinq]

Elaborate?

Rich people don't want free healthcare but poor people do.

 

Depending on your income, your stance on the issue could vary greatly.

[Kat]

Soon, you can experience the wonder of the NHS too! (To be fair, I flipping love it most of the time. I've abused the hell out of it over the years)

 

 

I had to go to the clinic while I was there last time, and I didn't pay a dime.. as a visitor, lol. I still feel guilty!

Rich people don't want free healthcare but poor people do.

 

Depending on your income, your stance on the issue could vary greatly.

 

It's not free.

 

Well, except for dirty aliens like me!

Edited by Kat, 03 May 2014 - 07:51 PM.

[Boggart]

That's basically what they are doing.

 

Nope, not quite yet!

A big issue was discussing private vs. public healthcare in my med interviews. I see both sides. But I'm glad I don't have to pay since I'm poor and healthy.