73 replies to this topic

[Melchoire]

Wow hacking NP has alot of history behind it :blink: Never knew that thanks for showing me

[Zero DeLocke]

Interestng. Who knew the hacking history of Neopets was so vivid?

*tear* God bless hackers.

[juju]

Very interesting I must say. I learned a thing or two

[Rush]

Wow....it kept me reading till the end...but I never heard of the v_team.
was featheralley present during the mass hack of ad0?

[Freddy]

hey look im a Neopets Cheater lol

[Bains]

lol you forgot to mentiont he biggest scam of all time in neopets. Remember the "your neopoints will be duplicated to a max of 999,999,999" I think that was easily one of the biggest scams and alot of ppl fell for it. That was when I played like 4yrs ago.

[Balistix]

Interesting.. I just wish my history class is as interesting as *neopets* history. That way, maybe more people will stay awake when teachers explain all the historical stuffzeh.

[Bains]

heh neopets aint really history, theres probably alot of people that could hack it for fun, but the truth is neopets would shut down.

[Eggy]

Where is my place on the list? I found 3 np gen glitchs, 2 dupe glitches, hacked into famous accounts like girofalcon =/

[sockopen]

Where is my place on the list? I found 3 np gen glitchs, 2 dupe glitches, hacked into famous accounts like girofalcon =/

..... >_>


Anyways, nice start on your compilation; do you have ad0's e-mail address? I had it while still using my previous usernames, don't have it anymore. There are a lot of people who own ad0, he's a "one trick pony", and couldn't repeat the luck he had before. Moose, Jessica, Aerox, stauntx, zDawg are respectable 'game hackers' who know what they're talking about.

[Kyle]

I definately remember ad0. I was talking to one of his friends on aim when he actually commited the acts. It was really interesting. The friend would say, "go to the money tree, hes going to put 5 cool neggs in there in 2 min" and it would happen. I really wish I had saved the convo.

[redlion]

Interestng. Who knew the hacking history of Neopets was so vivid?

*tear* God bless hackers.

Whats even more interesting would be the truth. Most of that was vagueries and half-truths. For instance, v_team was four people, not three. Vader, puppetz and the rest were not 'hackers', they were cheaters. Autobuying is not hacking The only true hacker to ever do some serious damage to neopets was ad0. Although certain people have been... experimenting with extreme server overload programming (see alias' post) and other means to completely screw up neopets. There were tons of famous accounts that cheated, but very few of them actually hacked.

Eggy, I don't know what you consider hacking, but cracking an md5 encryption of a password doesn't exactly count

[Ives]

Hacker is not something that should be define. I do not even stereotype hackers the way most people do. Hackers to me are internet philosophers. They are people that want to either do it for the rush and adrenaline just like athletes and rockstars do, which usually involves obtaining ROOT access to something.

Crackers to me are 'Simplistic thinkers' that are a level ahead of the newbies, but still newbies themselves in a way. They dont have the same thrill philosophers obtain through Root access. Crackers are usually very insecure themselves.

Neopets cheaters do not exploit neopets. Neopets Cheaters simply use macros other users created or they created and repeat the proccess for an amount of time.

[redlion]

Hacker is not something that should be define. I do not even stereotype hackers the way most people do. Hackers to me are internet philosophers. They are people that want to either do it for the rush and adrenaline just like athletes and rockstars do, which usually involves obtaining ROOT access to something.

Crackers to me are 'Simplistic thinkers' that are a level ahead of the newbies, but still newbies themselves in a way. They dont have the same thrill philosophers obtain through Root access. Crackers are usually very insecure themselves.

Neopets cheaters do not exploit neopets. Neopets Cheaters simply use macros other users created or they created and repeat the proccess for an amount of time.

You know, your definition of hacker is quite unique, but its very truthful. I find that most hackers (once they've reached a certain tier of ability [which would exclude crackers and such]) don't care about the material rewards anymore. Like the people that make e-mail viruses? They aren't making any money off of it, they're doing it for the thrill, for the fun.

[Raui]

Crackers are usually very insecure themselves.

how :blink: I dont mind abit of cracking and im not insecure

[Ives]

how :blink: I dont mind abit of cracking and im not insecure

'Most' is what I forget to add on there. The fact is if your just needing a password, then you dont need security to open a bruteforcer up.

[Raui]

yer well I always have highly secure passwords id love some1 to try and guess mine now if they did they would have to be either a keylogger or a psychic

[sockopen]

Alright, well, since this topic has mostly become about 'hacking', I my aswell throw in my two cents before the thread is closed.

Most of the hackers are quite old now, and, a good percentage of them are in jail, or working for governments and corporations, and no offence, but more than likely, not playing Neopets. Richard Stallman is a prime example, he was around before passwords existed, before programming for MIT's Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, and, now is actively being invited to United Nations' International Security Conferences.

I consider very few(less than 50) people on the internet to be 'hackers'. Any kid that knows what a search engine is can type in; 'how to steal passwords', and he now has access to a couple trojans and a key logger, he must be a hacker! No. What irritates me is that these internet (for lack of a better word) 'newbies' throw the word hacker around to these children who keylog each other. I don't understand how abusing someone's trust is 'hacking' (or 'cracking' for that matter).

Generally though, the word is so misused and misunderstood these days, that the word is hardly definable. If you've ever gone to Google and typed any of the following words in any of your searches, you may be considered a hacker by todays standards; 'password', 'hack', 'vulnerability', 'script', 'download'; it's sad, but true. In my opinion, if you are using any form of information you have found on the internet, whether it be a program, script, direct tutorial, vulnerability, or exploit and used it against someone or something else, you are not and cannot be considered a 'hacker'.

[redlion]

In my opinion, if you are using any form of information you have found on the internet, whether it be a program, script, direct tutorial, vulnerability, or exploit and used it against someone or something else, you are not and cannot be considered a 'hacker'.

Thats a little extreme. Using Any form of information found on the internet disqualifies you from being a hacker?

[sockopen]

For the most part, yes. If you're just going to look up how to do something, and apply the exact knowledge, you have done nothing but steal someone else's idea on how to accomplish what you did. You did nothing but do what was laid out in front of you to do, like a manual.

[redlion]

I can see I'll have to use an example.

EX:

I learn how to code basic Inet in VB from an online tutorial. I then figure out how to create a neopets login feature using Inet that can be added to anyone's program.

Now, obviously, this has already been done. But in the example, you're using information taken from the internet to accomplish something unique. I don't see how building off of someone else's work (I.e. Inet) to get something new and awesome (none of our programs would work without a login) that works and is your own work.

[sockopen]

Well that's something different, if you learn how to write programs, and you use that knowedge to build a new program that has not been done before, I would consider that to be fine, you've only learned one of the stepping stone's to acquire what you've accomplished.

I'm more referring to the direct viewing or downloading of tutorials how to exploit this or that, programs that automate things for you, etc..