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[pyke]

I think you misinterpreted what tetiel meant honestly. She's not one to devalue a human life, more so I think she was saying that theres no need to put such emphasis against american troops because of an accident.

[Tetiel]

I think you misinterpreted what tetiel meant honestly. She's not one to devalue a human life, more so I think she was saying that theres no need to put such emphasis against american troops because of an accident.

If it were American soldiers purposefully fragging British soldiers I think you would have a reason to blame the American troops. I would be outraged myself But accidents happen all the time. It's unfortunate but it's what they are. Accidents. We didn't mean to hurt your troops just as I'm sure the British have accidentally friendly fired against American troops. It's sad, but it will always happen. Just like you can't prevent car accidents sometimes no matter how much you train the driver. It's awful. Absolutely awful when someone dies, but it was an accident and nothing more. Every war has been plagued by friendly fire. It's unavoidable and to fault us on it is really not fair :\

And I was saying it wasn't a big deal just because compared to other wars we've actually had a so few troops killed compared to other wars. Any loss of human life is a sad thing, but I also think it's something to be said for how few of our soldiers are being lost out there compared to the World Wars.

And FlashGM there are some soldiers who are fighting in Iraq who disagree with it. They had signed up for Afghanistan perhaps and they weren't able to get out of it, you know? :\ You really don't have a choice like that. If you get dishonorably discharged you're fucked in ever finding a good job. Ever. And interhacker I do agree with you as far as attacking the politicians who started the war and not the soldiers as they did NOT always have a choice

[Bryn AKA Interhacker]

If it were American soldiers purposefully fragging British soldiers I think you would have a reason to blame the American troops. I would be outraged myself But accidents happen all the time. It's unfortunate but it's what they are. Accidents. We didn't mean to hurt your troops just as I'm sure the British have accidentally friendly fired against American troops. It's sad, but it will always happen. Just like you can't prevent car accidents sometimes no matter how much you train the driver. It's awful. Absolutely awful when someone dies, but it was an accident and nothing more. Every war has been plagued by friendly fire. It's unavoidable and to fault us on it is really not fair :\

And I was saying it wasn't a big deal just because compared to other wars we've actually had a so few troops killed compared to other wars. Any loss of human life is a sad thing, but I also think it's something to be said for how few of our soldiers are being lost out there compared to the World Wars.

And FlashGM there are some soldiers who are fighting in Iraq who disagree with it. They had signed up for Afghanistan perhaps and they weren't able to get out of it, you know? :\ You really don't have a choice like that. If you get dishonorably discharged you're fucked in ever finding a good job. Ever. And interhacker I do agree with you as far as attacking the politicians who started the war and not the soldiers as they did NOT always have a choice

Like i always say, we are pawns in some ones bigger game, the soldiers are pawns in the politicans bigger game.

[Ilya]

Semi-offtopic....

My causin went to navy they treat him their like shit not training but they told him he can have 1 call during the day 1 minute long he spoke for 27 seconds excactly and then said they turned his phone off said thats enough... and once your in thats it whether you want or not they push you to iraq if you cant pass the first 2 months of training you and final test run 4 miles in 12 minutes u will be there for the whole 4 years you want it or not.... thats how they respect the people who sign up for the army

Edited by Ilya, 11 April 2008 - 09:48 PM.

[Bryn AKA Interhacker]

Semi-offtopic....

My causin went to navy they treat him their like shit not training but they told him he can have 1 call during the day 1 minute long he spoke for 27 seconds excactly and then said they turned his phone off said thats enough... and once your in thats it whether you want or not they push you to iraq if you cant pass the first 2 months of training you and final test run 4 miles in 12 minutes u will be there for the whole 4 years you want it or not.... thats how they respect the people who sign up for the army

thats exactly what me and tetiel have said..as soon as you put your name on that dotted line, as soon as you put that army uniform on, you no longer have your own life, george w bush or gordon brown does...
And you cant show emotion or feelings becasue they dont exsist inside the army as far as the fat cats at the top are concerned.

[pyke]

Why should they? They're all pieces of shit, and to be completely honest, I'm more delighted (should I ever watch the propaganda machine) to see the death of soldiers. They're part and parcel of the very perpetuation of this oppressive capitalist system that has degenerated into, as it always will (and let's not beat around the bush, we know for a fact now Iraq has nothing to do with national security) into an imperalist war machine.

So I'm not going to mourn the death of a capitalist soldier. It's tragic that this classist system coerces them into 'fighting for their country', when in fact they are fighting purely in the political interests of those above them - when these combatting soldiers across the world have more in common with each other internationally than the bourgey motherfuckers that send them off to kill each other.

Workers unite and beat the tyrant, you've nothing to lose but your chains.

There are so many things wrong with this post that I don't know where to start. I can't FATHOM why you're so against capitalist society, particularly when you live in a spot where you reap all of its benefits.

Communism/socialism/marxism/constructivism are not the solutions to ending war. Have you ever heard of something called the Cold War? The USSR was a willing participant, it wasn't driven entirely on capitalism. Not to mention that the fact that the USSR collapsed is evidence doesn't exactly say much for communism. Shit, even most political scientists can tell you it's a shitty system.

To say you enjoy someones death is sickening. There are people here in the military and a lot of people have relatives in the military. My brother and dad are in the Canadian forces and it INFURIATES me to see you glad that troops die. My family members are not "pieces of shit". They're human beings, and probably much better ones than you'll ever amount to.

[pyke]

I realize that there is a large difference between ideal socialism and what Stalin made of the USSR. I still don't feel that capitalism is the source of all conflict around us. I think it's human nature that drives conflict. I also think the idea of a worker ran system has problems, in the fact that there will always be people trying to grasp control.

And yes, I admit to having ties to the current system. It's not failed me, or anyone around me and I live in one of the poorest spots of Canada. Why would something be changed when it isn't failing its people?

I also still think that those soldiers deserve recognition. They often fight, because they want to do what they can to protect the people they love. Disrespecting the dead doesn't get you any further.

[Melchoire]

I realize that there is a large difference between ideal socialism and what Stalin made of the USSR. I still don't feel that capitalism is the source of all conflict around us. I think it's human nature that drives conflict. I also think the idea of a worker ran system has problems, in the fact that there will always be people trying to grasp control.

And yes, I admit to having ties to the current system. It's not failed me, or anyone around me and I live in one of the poorest spots of Canada. Why would something be changed when it isn't failing its people?

I also still think that those soldiers deserve recognition. They often fight, because they want to do what they can to protect the people they love. Disrespecting the dead doesn't get you any further.

That's the thing though pyke, they're not protecting anyone...

[pyke]

When it isn't failing its people? You think because you're of the ~2/10ths of the world's population priveleged enough to meet your defficiency needs with proper shelter, clean water, being able to read, that capitalism benefits people worldwide? Why not ask people in Kenya how the capitalist playing field throttles their political freedom - how white imperialists have colonized almost every African nation and now the white farmer reaps the benefits of the country's main export (whether it be coffee beans, or whatever) while the rest of the country starves? How a person living in any metropololitan town that has to work two or three jobs just to have to decide between paying for rent or food? How we have enough enough wheat stored to feed every starving child 2,200 calories a day but it remains stored to keep the price of wheat high?

You have a very foolish view to believe that capitalism is benefitting the people just because you live in your perfect suburban town, when it is the biggest culprit in pollution and the draining of non-renewable resources due to overproduction; when we live under a system which requires and thrives off of unemployment, exploitation and war. The same system that keeps you up keeps the rest of the world down. My belief is there is freedom for everybody or freedom for nobody, and you can't have freedom in capitalism. When you live in a world where money determines political power of a person, then you will always have your state act in the interests of the corporate execs and their class, and this is what we're witnessing for ourselves.



Anyway, gotta make my sister's and my breakfast and lunches. Read those books I gave you, you really seem to be caught up in this anti-marxist fervour by media fatcats when you truly don't understand it, you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Lol, always the white man keeping people down right? Never mind the fact that people in nations like Kenya were enslaved by their own, well before imperialism took place. Evil and problems exist in man, hence why the capitalist world isn't as it should be right now.

And yes, I totally live in a perfect suburban town . More like, I live in a tiny ass village where I get to cut and split the wood I use to heat my house. I also have to boil my water in order to use it to wash/clean food with. I realize this is better than probably 85-90% of the world, but it's far from perfect. I'd take up metropolitan living in an instant. As for needing two or three jobs, maybe people should get an education and get a job that isn't paying 10$/hr. Either that, or move to a place that the rent isn't so high (what a concept!)

I don't believe capitalism is inherently broken. It certainly needs to be reformed, to wrest power from those in the upper tiers, but that's not an easy task. I don't like socialism because I feel it's a utopianism dream that can't be realized to its full extent. Not to mention that the idea that everyone is equal clashes against human nature, while simultaneously promoting an apathetic approach to living.

[sonic]

Just so you know, not everyone in the US is supportive of our Troops.
I have been spit on, and called a rapist and baby killer.


Awww shit.
Just read the rest of the topic.

*Backs away slowly before he gets to angry and Flash's obvious display of ignorance and misunderstanding about a US Soldiers intentions.

F that.
Suspend my ass. I don't care.

One thing you CAN argue about is the legitimacy of the war, hell I even do. The one thing that is outrageous to argue about is a Soldiers intentions.

I fight because I enjoy the liberties and freedoms my democracy offers me. "Our country right or wrong". Granted that quote does have its shortcomings, but the basis stands true.

I don't know 10% of what is really going on in the heads of our leaders concerning this war, and that means you civilians know about 5%. The war is unjustified from the perspective of the Government, at least as far as I can tell. But do not confuse Bush's reasoning to be in Iraq with my reasoning. But this of course is obvious. Why would I risk my life for something that did not seem right? I fight men who teach their kids that killing innocent people, while committing suicide, is the best course of action to enter heaven and have 70 virgins. The mother Fukers are dirty. I don't care what you say. Don't misconstrued anything you see. As far as I can tell, none of you have any experience dealing with terrorists/Iraqi/Taliban, meaning anything you know is pure speculation. Sorry to say this, but you are all media experts. NONE of you have seen the real shit. I have, and I still stand by saying that while some things may appear wrong, the underlying feeling I, and the rest of the soldiers in my platoon/company/battalion have is we are doing something right. It feels right, we kill bad guys. We don't blow up grocery stores, or voting poll stations. As retarded as it sounds, we kill for peace. In fact, the entire time I was there our ROE(Rules of Engagement) included strict instructions to not fire unless fired upon.

I do not expect anything I say to change anyones mind, but I sleep better at night knowing I did my best to give you my perspective.

As far as FF(Friendly Fire) goes. Check the stats. American Soldiers have some of the LOWEST FF casualty rates. Even in Afghanistan. Just go ask a British soldier. They love our asses. I mean LOVE

Why should they? To be completely honest, I'm more delighted (should I ever watch the propaganda machine) to see the death of soldiers. T

I say one thing.
While you would love to see me "dead", we as soldiers still at our DEEPEST core fight for even the most ignorant of people. Enjoy your conspiracy's. History is lined with proof that your way of thinking is "insane" and at its highest point detrimental to ALL of society.

thats exactly what me and tetiel have said..as soon as you put your name on that dotted line, as soon as you put that army uniform on, you no longer have your own life, george w bush or gordon brown does...
And you cant show emotion or feelings becasue they dont exsist inside the army as far as the fat cats at the top are concerned.

Wow. Continue to have it wrong.
Training is completely different. They break you down and build you back up into someone more in control of every aspect of every detail in your mind/body.

After training, it is NOTHING like the above poster claims it is.

Edited by Cory, 14 April 2008 - 10:37 PM.

[Melchoire]

On Kenya, your view represents what I can only describe as complete ignorance for the colonial and historic past of Kenya. The black Kenyan population has undergone such degree of oppression, robbery and slavery by the British colonizers, it is absurd to suggest their present level of poverty is due only to lack of property rights, however, the view that Africa is poor due to its own accord represent a very ignorant worldview that ignores the realities of colonialism/imperialism. In fact, Kenya did not become an independant country until 1960, with a long history of oppression of blacks, unfair taxation and the complete displacement of almost half the population from its land. Regardless of its independence, imperialism continues to this day, where large amounts of the most arable land in Kenya is used to produce cash crops for export, instead as to feed its own people - crops such as coffee, tea, tobacco and crops used to make pesticides. Most of the tourist industry involves western-owned hotels. The point it, the natural resources (land and tourism), are generally owned by white settlers or foreign companies, which profit from these natural resources. It is thus this past colonialism, and the ongoing Imperialism that keeps the third-world in poverty.

Kenya is simply one example of what has happened all across Africa; from Somalia, to South Africa and Angola. Current imperialism, past colonialism are responsible for almost all of the poverty. Imperialism takes more than simply the case of foreign investors in an African nation. The western world, as mentioned above, has consistently put its hands into the political affairs of Africa. They have opposed attempts to develop democratic governments that support socialistic reforms and the nationalization of resources. The west essentially forced free-market reforms on Africa, by supporting certain sides and using military force, either through direct intervention, or through funding of militias, as to fight the self-determination of Africa. Then, using governments it hand-picked, the west essentially forced Africa to adopt free-market policies, and privatize all government run services, resources and industries in exchange for loans that did little to develop the country.

And an apathetic approach to living, and utopian? Once again, you really have an uneducated understanding of what marxism is, unless if you're assuming people don't care to live. In a Marxist society, just as in a capitalist one, you're not working with a saint-like altruist mentality for your state, community or your political philosophy (which is utopian), it's purely in self-interest. Marxism doesn't promote welfare, (and in a marxist society there shouldn't be unemploymeny because there is plenty more freedom in what people would want to do as all routes are available with free education) so a lazy sally that doesn't give according to her abilities will not get according to her needs. You work to feed yourself, your family, and to provide yourself with shelter.

As philosopher Rousseau says, man in the state of nature is a 'noble savage', and is only corrupted by the economics of society, yet since this capitalist system exploits the worst attributes of man and turns him greedy and aggressive, when the truth is people can work together without the capitalist class. If we look at this in the context of a largely capitalist world this is even occurring; (1) Venezualan co-operative factories slash hierarchies and have equal pay and productivity shot up 15% (2) Bolshevik revolutionary vanguards fighting alongside the workers in the war against the white army (~14 capitalist nations) with Trotsky himself having led the red army to victory (3) the philosophy of open source and free software

However you have not yet retorted to my statement that capitalism is flawed especially by the fact that capital gives you political power (and this is true in all forms of capitalism), because then it is evident that the state will always work towards the bourgeois and corporations. This is what makes it a primitive system no better than the monarch and feudal systems prior to it. Don't have any illusions, this is why you have cases such as (1) the military industrial complex having as much power as they do (2) the top 1% wealthiest Americans own more capital than the bottom 95% and the gap is still growing (3) why you have companies like Diebold which have proven to be untrustworthy to hold elections and keeping their code proprietary (despite, by law, Vegas slot machines are completely open); it will always gradually increase the gap between the rich and the poor and your once beautiful representative democracy will, and to use America as an example, has degenerate(d) into an oligopoly. This oligopoly in state and media control will always return, it is how capitalism keeps itself afloat by funding those in favour and shunning those who are dissident, ultimately making political and individual freedom impossible for those of us proletariat.

Hit the books, g'night.

I think I feel a little smarter just for reading that. Good stuff =P

Just so you know, not everyone in the US is supportive of our Troops.
I have been spit on, and called a rapist and baby killer.


Awww shit.
Just read the rest of the topic.

*Backs away slowly before he gets to angry and Flash's obvious display of ignorance and misunderstanding about a US Soldiers intentions.

F that.
Suspend my ass. I don't care.

One thing you CAN argue about is the legitimacy of the war, hell I even do. The one thing that is outrageous to argue about is a Soldiers intentions.

I fight because I enjoy the liberties and freedoms my democracy offers me. "Our country right or wrong". Granted that quote does have its shortcomings, but the basis stands true.

I don't know 10% of what is really going on in the heads of our leaders concerning this war, and that means you civilians know about 5%. The war is unjustified from the perspective of the Government, at least as far as I can tell. But do not confuse Bush's reasoning to be in Iraq with my reasoning. But this of course is obvious. Why would I risk my life for something that did not seem right? I fight men who teach their kids that killing innocent people, while committing suicide, is the best course of action to enter heaven and have 70 virgins. The mother Fukers are dirty. I don't care what you say. Don't misconstrued anything you see. As far as I can tell, none of you have any experience dealing with terrorists/Iraqi/Taliban, meaning anything you know is pure speculation. Sorry to say this, but you are all media experts. NONE of you have seen the real shit. I have, and I still stand by saying that while some things may appear wrong, the underlying feeling I, and the rest of the soldiers in my platoon/company/battalion have is we are doing something right. It feels right, we kill bad guys. We don't blow up grocery stores, or voting poll stations. As retarded as it sounds, we kill for peace. In fact, the entire time I was there our ROE(Rules of Engagement) included strict instructions to not fire unless fired upon.

I do not expect anything I say to change anyones mind, but I sleep better at night knowing I did my best to give you my perspective.

As far as FF(Friendly Fire) goes. Check the stats. American Soldiers have some of the LOWEST FF casualty rates. Even in Afghanistan. Just go ask a British soldier. They love our asses. I mean LOVE



I say one thing.
While you would love to see me "dead", we as soldiers still at our DEEPEST core fight for even the most ignorant of people. Enjoy your conspiracy's. History is lined with proof that your way of thinking is "insane" and at its highest point detrimental to ALL of society.



Wow. Continue to have it wrong.
Training is completely different. They break you down and build you back up into someone more in control of every aspect of every detail in your mind/body.

After training, it is NOTHING like the above poster claims it is.

A small amount of people actually tell their children that sorta shit. A larger amount convince their children that the US soldiers are invaders in their country and that they have no right to be there <- those people are right. I've got relatives in that part of the world and they have their reasons for hating soldiers and Americans, as does the rest of the world.

Edited by FlashGM, 15 April 2008 - 06:02 AM.

[sonic]

Nothing against you as a person Sonic, only as a bureaucrat. By the way, you might want to look up the definition of the word conspiracy.

Holy Shit?
Did I just see that?

I expected an international flame war.
Turns out your much more mature that I ever would be.
*Respect

I think I feel a little smarter just for reading that. Good stuff =P


A small amount of people actually tell their children that sorta shit. A larger amount convince their children that the US soldiers are invaders in their country and that they have no right to be there <- those people are right. I've got relatives in that part of the world and they have their reasons for hating soldiers and Americans, as does the rest of the world.

Greatness inspires Jealousy, Jealousy inspires hate.

I am not "allowed" to say more than that.

[Waser Lave]

It's because this isn't a popular war, people don't see that we really have an enemy in Iraq or Afghanistan (I don't remember either country trying to invade us recently) so they don't see the reason for us fighting over there.

If you look at the Falklands, Argentina invaded British Territory so the country got behind the armed forces and everybody went all patriotic despite the fight only being over a few rocks thousands of miles away which nobody had even heard of. Give the people a real reason for war and they'll get behind the forces, give them a pointless war and they won't.

It's as simple as that, nothing to do with all this communist vs capitalist crap.

Edited by Laser Wave, 15 April 2008 - 08:49 AM.

[pyke]

A response to ya Simon, didn't quote because the page is getting too long . I wasn't saying what European colonialists did was not terrible, it certainly was. I was just saying that large parts of Africa already practiced slavery and that most of those people would probably still be enslaved, irregardless of outside intervention. You can't say that it's only colonialists(imperialists I'm sure you'll prefer), that are the problem.

I'm not entirely sure about the Marxist ideology, but I'm under the impression that all people are of equal stature? In which case, it promotes doing the bare minimum to get along. Who is going to go to school for 10 years (And they've certainly got it right that school should be free) to become a doctor, when they'd live the same as a labor worker? I'm probably off here though, this is where my assumption of apathy is coming from though

I'll have to disagree with Rousseau as well . I think he places to much faith in humanity. I think it's in human nature to dominate other people and even in your kind of society, there would still be people on the top. I'll cite the USSR again. Look how long it took Lenin's state to be mutated into some horrifying mess by Stalin. Generally, the kind of people who get into politics, are the very same who commit similar acts.

And I thought I had agreed that how capitalism is conducted now is wrong and that it does need reform? There needs to be change, in order to distribute wealth to everyone, not just the people on top. It's not a system that is doomed to failure, I think the state really needs to step up and fight for its peoples rights though.


Also, Flash, I think it's not a bad thing for people to hate the US administration, they have it coming. I disagree with hating US citizens though.


And good point Laser . As a note though, the Afghanistan mission is entirely different and did have international support, as well as homeland backing. It's just been a clever ploy that's backfired on the US administration to try and lump the two into one situation.

[Waser Lave]

And good point Laser . As a note though, the Afghanistan mission is entirely different and did have international support, as well as homeland backing. It's just been a clever ploy that's backfired on the US administration to try and lump the two into one situation.

Afghanistan didn't attack America or Britain from my recollection.

[pyke]

Afghanistan didn't attack America or Britain from my recollection.

The people that conducted 9/11 were harbored there though and I believe there is a school for them as well? My point was that Afghanistan was whole heartedly approved until they screwed everything up

[Waser Lave]

The people that conducted 9/11 were harbored there though and I believe there is a school for them as well? My point was that Afghanistan was whole heartedly approved until they screwed everything up

None of them were actually from Afghanistan though, most of them were from Saudi Arabia. It's like saying that if a load of illegal immigrants who were living in America then went on to bomb Canada it would be America's fault.

And let's not forget who helped Bin Laden to get established in Afghanistan in the first place...

The country and people of Afghanistan did nothing to America, from what I recall Afghanistan actually condemned the September 11 attacks.

Why don't we invade Iran? Or Saudi Arabia? Or Syria? Or Egypt? Or Lebanon? Or the United Arab Emirates? etc...

[Tetiel]

Why don't we invade Iran? Or Saudi Arabia? Or Syria? Or Egypt? Or Lebanon? Or the United Arab Emirates? etc...

Who says we're not planning to already?

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For all of you people who can't tell the obvious, I'M KIDDING

[Waser Lave]

Who says we're not planning to already?

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For all of you people who can't tell the obvious, I'M KIDDING

I wouldn't doubt that there are contingency plans for the invasion of at least Iran.

[Tetiel]

I wouldn't doubt that there are contingency plans for the invasion of at least Iran.

Bomb bomb bomb iran! </beach boys>

Obviously that means that they've been planning since the 60s. CONSPIRACY OMG!

[pyke]

None of them were actually from Afghanistan though, most of them were from Saudi Arabia. It's like saying that if a load of illegal immigrants who were living in America then went on to bomb Canada it would be America's fault.

And let's not forget who helped Bin Laden to get established in Afghanistan in the first place...

The country and people of Afghanistan did nothing to America, from what I recall Afghanistan actually condemned the September 11 attacks.

Why don't we invade Iran? Or Saudi Arabia? Or Syria? Or Egypt? Or Lebanon? Or the United Arab Emirates? etc...

Most of them were actually kicked out of Saudi Arabia though weren't they? It's more like saying, if a bunch of illegal immigrants with plans to strike Canada were taken in and armed/trained by America went in and bombed Canada .

I don't think that Afghanistan infrastructure was leveled by American forces or anything, I thought it was a much more coordinated affair than the whole Iraq situation

[Waser Lave]

Most of them were actually kicked out of Saudi Arabia though weren't they? It's more like saying, if a bunch of illegal immigrants with plans to strike Canada were taken in and armed/trained by America went in and bombed Canada .

Where did they learn to fly?

"Don't you want to learn how to land?", "No thank you, I'll be fine", "That'll be $200 then please".

Edited by Laser Wave, 15 April 2008 - 09:57 AM.

[pyke]

Where did they learn to fly?

"Don't you want to learn how to land?", "No thank you, I'll be fine", "That'll be $200 then please".

I'm not sure, where did they learn? I'm pretty sure the US isn't the only country that has citizens who know how to fly a plane.

Assuming in the US, I don't see how them learning to fly i the US, links to them bringing box cutters onto a plane and jacking it...

[Waser Lave]

Actually it's like saying a bunch of illegal immigrants from U.S bombed Canada and now Canada wants to come in and find them (after we refused to give them over and/or cooperate in their capture). That's what we did. Now of course a ton of other things happened when we went in there, but we did have a valid reason of going in to apprehend the terrorists since Afghanistan failed to turn them over to us.

You do know that under international law a country doesn't have to extradite anybody it doesn't want to, right? That's the whole point of sovereignty...

Of course that's never stopped America thinking that it has the right to kidnap foreign citizens before though so I guess we can't be surprised.

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[sonic]

Do we care about international law? Common sense now We're one of the big dogs on the street, we'll do whatever we see fit. The point I was making was we had a logical reason to invade Afghanistan. They had the people that took down two of our most prominent structures in New York, killing thousands in the process, and they refused to give them to us. It only makes sense were going to force them to do it.

Sense being made in a senseless topic.

Just a little fun fact, it is general consensus in the US Army Infantry ranks that everyone would much rather be deployed to Afghanistan for several reasons. One being the fact that there is less confusion between "Good/Evil" The terrorists hide in the hills and the villages kick them out. Most of Afghanistan loves American troops.

I know this not only from accounts of soldiers who have been there, but also from my friend Sam who is from Afghanistan and who is enlisting in the Army as a translator to help aid soldiers in Afghanistan in order to decrease mistakes caused by confusion with communication.

Edited by Sonic, 15 April 2008 - 11:11 AM.