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[Sweeney]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK0yq-5pbqA

Discuss, bitches.

[Scot]

I admit I watched the entire video just for the accent

[MiladyM]

I admit I watched the entire video just for the accent

LOL! me too. Very calming.

Edited by Milady, 23 October 2010 - 01:53 AM.

[flashraven]

I love the tune coming out of the ocarina, mellow and soothing

[xavarn]

You know what, God has caused a lot more problems than it has solved. Although... it does make for a very convenient way to make fun of people.

[Mr. Hobo]

If atheism is true, then our minds are reducible to physics. Since physics is fundamentally deterministic, we have no free will. Ergo, I have no 'choice' whether to adopt atheism or not, and you're wasting your time by trying to convince me of anything.

oh in the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonightttttttttttttttt

Consider this a formal request for a song from Zelda: OoT

[jaredennisclark]

If atheism is true, then our minds are reducible to physics. Since physics is fundamentally deterministic, we have no free will. Ergo, I have no 'choice' whether to adopt atheism or not, and you're wasting your time by trying to convince me of anything.

oh in the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonightttttttttttttttt

Consider this a formal request for a song from Zelda: OoT

Atheism is nothing more than the absence of belief in a God. It can be thought of as a state of mind. It implies absolutely nothing about consciousness, free-will, physics, or anything else for that matter. There are actually quite a few well-known atheists who have made very good cases against determinism. (I.E. - Sartre [in quite a few of his writings], and Daniel Dennett [specifically his book 'Freedom Evolves']

Edited by jaredennisclark, 23 October 2010 - 09:41 AM.

[luvsmyncis]

How did you make it?
It's all explained in the Bible. On the first day, God said, "Let there be light." And then there was light. God closely examined the tip of his magic finger and thought, "Hey, that was pretty crafty shit." and then, like the water fountains in the 1950's, he separated the light from the dark. The next day, he made some sky, and thought it was pretty good too. On the third day, he built his own giant personal RISK game board. And also he made fruit. On the fourth day he made autumn and summer. On the fifth day he created delicious creatures, and after a night of listening to the sound of chickens clucking, on the sixth day he created bigger creatures to eat the creatures he made yesterday. On the 7th day, he put his feet up and pat himself on the back.


I'm certain the story of your instrument would sound similar, no?

p.s. I found the opening sequence of your little flute thing to be mildly suggestive, what with all the holes and the slot. I was afraid something inappropriate would happen.

[Sweeney]

If atheism is true, then our minds are reducible to physics. Since physics is fundamentally deterministic, we have no free will. Ergo, I have no 'choice' whether to adopt atheism or not, and you're wasting your time by trying to convince me of anything.

Not so. By altering the environment that you're exposed to, I can influence your biochemistry.

Just because the universe is deterministic, doesn't render action futile. Actions engender reactions, remember?

[jaredennisclark]

Not so. By altering the environment that you're exposed to, I can influence your biochemistry.

Just because the universe is deterministic, doesn't render action futile. Actions engender reactions, remember?

Furthermore, how could our actions NOT be caused by something? Whether it be directly, or indirectly, there cannot be such a thing as completely 'random' behavior. What would that even mean? That one neuron 'just so happened' to have turned right as opposed to left, causing us to randomly check the time on our watch?

[artificial]

Yes, but the universe isn't deterministic. QM is all fucking random up in your shit.

[xavarn]

In my opinion the whole debate of god funnels down to one statement.

Prove it.

If you cant prove that he either does or does not exist than Atheism is the only way to go.

[Mr. Hobo]

You are absolutely right.

If by atheism you mean agnosticism

[jaredennisclark]

Yes, but the universe isn't deterministic. QM is all fucking random up in your shit.

Your reasoning to me seems a little circular here. You're assuming what you're setting out to prove (that being the universe isn't deterministic, something philosophers and scientists are still debating to this day).

Many will say aspects of QM are random, and others will say it only seems random because we have yet to fully understand it as a 'system'. No one does.

In my opinion the whole debate of god funnels down to one statement.

Prove it.

If you cant prove that he either does or does not exist than Atheism is the only way to go.

I personally agree completely. From my experience however, mentioning this to anyone with any sort of higher education only leads to a debate concerning the meaning of 'proof', and the unfair limits science imposes on what is considered 'proof'. I don't understand the entire thing well enough to hold my own, but it is a real controversy. These links will give you a better idea of what I mean:

http://en.wikipedia....sm_(philosophy)
http://plato.stanfor...ies/naturalism/

Assuming that by 'proof' you mean died-in-wool scientific proof, then you're going to run into this eventually. Science relies on a philosophical method called Methodological Naturalism. Methodological Naturalism is the basis for what we consider science. 'Theists' and some others have problems with M.N. because one of its ground rules is that you cannot invoke the supernatural in explaining any sort of phenomenon. Furthermore, M.N. essential makes the supernatural impossible. This is because once we can observe or identify a cause for a phenomena, by definition it immediately becomes natural.
Basically 'they' claim the rules of science are unfair because they are set up in such a way that 'they' can never win, or prove their position. Which is essentially true, but that's not our problem. I think it's important to also mention that these critics of science and M.N. have yet to come up with any sort of alternative that boasts the predictive and explanatory powers that science does. It's the best tool we have for explaining what the fuck is going on around us.

[xavarn]

Well then if they dont want to use "our method" then let them use their own method to prove the existence or god just as long as it is a logical method.

[jaredennisclark]

Well then if they dont want to use "our method" then let them use their own method to prove the existence or god just as long as it is a logical method.

That's why I mentioned it isn't science's problem. It's their problem. 'They' will be hard-pressed to find a system that allows them to travel into space, save billions of lives, and lift a fucking airplane off the ground. They're more than welcome to try though, that's how progress happens.

[Sweeney]

You are absolutely right.

If by atheism you mean agnosticism

The two are not mutually exclusive.

(A)gnosticism is a statement on the scale of knowledge.
(A)theism is a statement on the scale of belief in gods.

You can be anything from a gnostic theist, someone who claims to know that gods exist, to an agnostic athiest, someone who claims not to know whether gods exists, but chooses to live as if they do not.

[MsRose]

In the dark ages it was a pretty damn good answer.

Fortunately, over seven hundred years have passed since then.

[sonic]

Uncertainty Principle

[Mr. Hobo]

http://conservapedia...an_atheist_nerd

Surprisingly good read

[jaredennisclark]

The two are not mutually exclusive.

(A)gnosticism is a statement on the scale of knowledge.
(A)theism is a statement on the scale of belief in gods.

You can be anything from a gnostic theist, someone who claims to know that gods exist, to an agnostic athiest, someone who claims not to know whether gods exists, but chooses to live as if they do not.

I'm a quite rusty here, but would Agnosticism fall under Epistemology, well Atheism falls under Metaphysics (or is it ontology)? At one time I had all this down pat

http://conservapedia...an_atheist_nerd

Surprisingly good read

Surprising to me was that nearly all their featured 'White atheist nerds' are enormously influential scientists, nearly all of which have contributed a shit-ton of knowledge to the human race. Sounds like a good deal to me!

Edited by jaredennisclark, 24 October 2010 - 10:17 AM.

[Sweeney]

http://conservapedia.com/Essay:_10_telltale_signs_you_are_on_your_way_to_becoming_an_atheist_nerd

Surprisingly good read

Are you serious?

[Mr. Hobo]

I found it really entertaining, the way they word stuff is amusing. As is how seriously they take themselves. And how they try to portray themselves as unbiased but if for example you'd open up the article on socialism you'd be greeted by a picture of hitler yelling I find it funnier than most of what's on tv and thought most people reading this thread would get a kick out of it

[Lineage]

The end of that video was the best thing I've seen all of today.
A+, A+.

[sonic]

I found it really entertaining, the way they word stuff is amusing. As is how seriously they take themselves. And how they try to portray themselves as unbiased but if for example you'd open up the article on socialism you'd be greeted by a picture of hitler yelling I find it funnier than most of what's on tv and thought most people reading this thread would get a kick out of it

Dont explain yourself.
Your mother fucking mr. hobo.
You link were you want