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[Sweeney]

Ya, like watching strutting turkeys fight. Its entertaining and silly at the same time. After its all over, the hens could care less.

Well, at least your knowledge of biology is clearly limited.

[redlion]

Your error is a very basic one, you attempt to assign a single variable to a symbolic context. You wish to assign a symbolic scale of love and hate, with love wishing to associate with a person and hate being the complete avoidance. You miss the fact that words have multivariate assignments to their meaning. Love is not simply an extension of like, no love is the indication of not simply emotional favor, but has the unique emotional intensity of feeling that no other emotion has. Love, is its own reason for an action, Love is over powering. Not completely accurate, but I was going for poetic.

...no. I don't wish to define love as wishing to associate with a person, and hate as the complete avoidance. I don't believe I've ever said anything of the kind. I've never attempted to define either term, except insofar as I've named their opposites.

Of course each word has multiple meanings. If you read the link I've provided, you'd understand that I'm not saying that there is a specific "meaning" for any word. However, it is possible to discern what a speaker intended to mean through analysis of the speaker - his behaviors, motivations, and speech patterns. This is called interpretation, and we must necessarily use it in every instance of verbal communication.

You are obviously using love in the sense of romantic love. Hence the opposite being detest, abhor, loathe, despise, or hate. I would contend that any of those antonyms may have just as much unique emotional intensity as love.

However, and I'll not stress this strongly enough, I'm not speaking only in linguistically analysis. No I am going for the truth of life, that only a person that you love, can bring forth a particular intense hatred that will destroy your soul. Don't tell me they're the opposites, the flow from one to another by a single act of betrayal,

Right. Well, I hate to break it to you in your old age, but simply declaring something to be the 'truth of life' doesn't make it so, however vapid and meaningless the phrase 'truth of life' may be.

Also, linguistically analysis is nonsensical. You can analyze something linguistically, or you can practice linguistic analysis.

I won't tell you that they're opposites, you can tell yourself: "So, if we try to use single variable opposites, you can just as easily say the "opposite" of love is hate."

And son, if we have to whippem out and measure, remember been in more sweat lodges and military physicals than you, not to mention other mention my background in bio-medical engineering Personally, there are very few men that can put their best food forward, and I am not one of those men.

I don't know where to start with this bit. First, I'll defer to sweeney's entirely correct prediction.

Second, I really couldn't care less how many dicks you've seen. Bragging about your size is rather juvenile. Ironic, really, considering how old you claim to be and how many of the frequenters of this board are underage. Says something about maturity that I'm too lazy to type up. You all can infer what I'm getting at here.

Third, I'm not your son. I'll sum my thoughts with a quote "Vicious condescension toward those without your strength can make you feel momentarily superior. But that easy armor must be forgone. Don't ever curdle that creamy brow with lines of easy disdain, or curl those lips with a popular sneer. Of all the models available, the one of gentleman in our late war is most succinct: Face what you have to face with humor, dignity, and style; protect yourself with knightly grace; have contempt for your own weakness and never encourage it in others; but never, Ralph, never for an instant permit yourself to feel anything other than pity and deepest sympathy for unfortunate comrades who have, after all, fallen in the same battle."

Lastly, I have absolutely no idea what food has to do with the size of your cock. I usually stay away from correcting spelling, grammar and punctuation typos, but this one was too easy. I purposely ignored the '...single act of betrayal' fragment above because I had more important points to make, but your attempt at a play on words with best foot forward and your previous boast was just bad. Really, bad.

Well, at least your knowledge of biology is clearly limited.

Yeah. Well, you could have known that from the infinitely deep comment as well, although I suspect that that was an attempt at hyperbole.

You must be a wizard or something though. Calling that one? It was almost magic.

1. Cast detect alignment.
2. Wait for opposite alignment to wander by.
3. ???????????
4. Profit and/or hilarity.

[Juturna]

Personally, this would never work with me. I rarely get sexually attracted to people inthe first place, and when it does happen, it normally only occurs after I have a deep emotional attachment to them. So FWB wouldn't really work out for me.

[Maeghan]

Why are yall arguing this?

OBVIOUSLY I HAVE THE BIGGEST P33N HERE.
ITS A DOG P33N.
JUST ASK DRAK & BONE & WOUG

[Sweeney]

Well young one, I stand in awe at your greatness, as you must exceed in intellectual capacity a Nobel Laureate. Prior to publishing, I must run my work through a professional grade analysis for a variety of reasons, grammar, readabillity and most importantly to make sure I don't steal the intellectual property of another. It appears, that when I used what I thought was "my" observation on Love and Hate that it was mine. Alas, it is another's work.
Elie Wiesel
http://en.wikiquote....iki/Elie_Wiesel

"

The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of beauty is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, but indifference between life and death." Elie Wiesel

So, who are you again to be arguing with a nobel laurate?

And boom. Argument from authority.

[NapisaurusRex]

I tried but it quickly turns into a relationship, right now I am contemplating this type of a situation with my buddy's girlfriend. ALthough she keeps saying she's gonna break up with him I'm trying not to get involved until that happens, but it's hard when she calls me late nights and early mornings speaking in such an explicit manner.... I think it's great if it goes to being just friends with benefits but its harder said than done...

Yeah, don't get involved yet. If she'll cheat on him with you, then she'll probably cheat on you with someone else.

[redlion]

And boom. Argument from authority.

Well young one, I stand in awe at your greatness, as you must exceed in intellectual capacity a Nobel Laureate. Prior to publishing, I must run my work through a professional grade analysis for a variety of reasons, grammar, readabillity and most importantly to make sure I don't steal the intellectual property of another.

So, who are you again to be arguing with a nobel laurate?

First, I'll ask you politely to stop calling me young one, son, and boy. I thought I addressed this when I posted a quote about condescension, but I guess the message wasn't clear enough: being older does not make you necessarily right. Arguing from that premise makes you look like a complete buffoon.

As to your position, the reason it's a sack of shit is simple. Consider the following argument.

Most of what authority a has to say on subject matter S is correct.
a says p about S.
Therefore, p is correct.

Replace a with Elie Wiesel, S with humanity, and p with love's opposite is indifference, and you will have reconstructed your argument in a syllogism. This is a logical fallacy. Elie Wiesel is not automatically an expert on the subject simply because of his Nobel prize.

Further, his viewpoint isn't that the opposite of love is indifference, it's that the opposite of any strong emotion is indifference. Read between the lines, fool, it's called subtext. He was talking about people not giving a shit that their neighbors were being snatched by the Gestapo, not about you and your girl friend both loving and hating each other because she betrayed you (or whatever experience you're basing your opinion on).

Lastly, as to the running your "work" through a professional grade analysis, it wouldn't hurt. At least read it before posting. Or run spellcheck. Kinda hard for me to take you seriously when you misspell readability. Makes me doubt your ability to read. Well, that and the morass of incomplete and run-on sentences.

[Mishatu]

-whispers- I have the biggest e-peen here

[NapisaurusRex]

I've got an advance, and a novella that has been presold, and I shouldn't be wasting time in this place where ethics are twisted for personal gain at the expense of junior players.

Not to be rude or mean, but why are you here then? Don't you have better things to do?

[Sweeney]

In b4 "electronic darkness".

[NapisaurusRex]

Hardly mean nor rude, a honest and sincere question. How could I be offended by a sincere and honest question. As you have asked in an honest manner, I am honour bound to answer as honestly as my spirit can perform.

I tell myself that I need to reconnect with my audience, at least the age of what I hope to be my audience. It has been, so many years since I published more than doing some "flash-bang" prose that gets incorporated into my better's work. I've done a dozens of description, and whirlwinds of words, but I might not have the spheres to actually do a full work. People remember Monet, but forget the skilled craftsman that filled detail, So, I'm also wasting time, hesitant to try again and fail again. My best will not be good enough, not against what I wish to be.

Secondly, I'm truly fascinated by the morality of this places. Young adults that are consumed with virtual possessions to the point where they'll cheat. This is almost a shadow of what drove Wall street, a disassociation from standard morality, a hubris in being able to abuse and use the system, yet at the same time not appreciating the harm it does to others. There seems to be a compulsion, to risk pets and possessions against a system that will of course eventually win. All neopets has to do is monitor the rate of wealth increase, and determine who's gaming the system.

Lastly, I was greeted poorly, therefore I stay.

OK. I understand.

[Sweeney]

*dies laughing*

[Galadriel]

I'll grow tired of it soon enough.




There is, and this is certainly idle speculation on my part, another possible reason for a person to hang around a place like this. Suppose an adult just happened to wonder into a site like this, and just happened to think banner “cheat” is just like a warm and fuzzy site like “Daily Neopets” that says that it provides cheats but actually is limited to hints and walk throughs.

Let us say, that this man just gets caught before his pet name can be pulled from public view. Just suppose, and we’re just shooting the breeze here, let us just suppose this man has a small daughter that is fond of her virtual pet, whom has waited years for him to get enough points for her to buy nice wigs and wings and background. Let us suppose this old man is going to lose his daughters pet, and she is going to cry.

Now, I am a clever man, that I am, and I used to do software that looked at medical data for the patterns of disease. What is codex, other than a disease upon the body neopets? What is codex, except a parasite that draws the best nutrients from the host’s reserve, greedily hording all the best morphing potions and paintbrushes. Neopets needs ad revenue to survive, needs to draw substance from children refreshing in the shops awaiting that rare time when the shop is restocked. If the advertising community knew to the degree that so called hits views are nothing but bots, might they question neopets as a place to put their ad euro? What if, a few people at St. Corporate Nick just got tired of the blatant behavior of a cackling crows that kept their honest players from being able to win any of the good items. Once Neo loses its reputation, once you learn that trophies go to the cheat, awards go to the cheats, what does Neo have other than its reputation.

So, what if a clever man, with some experience in designing software that helped determine epidemiological patterns decided to offer good St. Corporate Nick his services, after all he does not want to make his daughter cry. After all, he’s knows what a fool he was trying to refresh and grab a rare item, when a criminal conspiracy of bots doomed him from the start.

Really, it a wonder that Neo had not really applied countre measures before. The buying behavior of a cheat is almost impossible to miss, blocks of rare items going to a limited number of accounts, high intensity on certain shops but not others. Then the little fools have the audacity to brag about their crimes in public after snatching potions and paintbrushes. I mean, if you are going to steal, you can’t be bragging in public.

Ever heard of a Jew Finder, a fascinating story. Some people, to save themselves or their families from the ovens, would use their knowledge of the ghetto and culture to find their brother Jews in hiding. Horrible, but people have done worse to survive. Let us suppose that this isn’t even that hard, that there are way too many rude and arrogant children that treated a stranger badly. It would not be like I’m turning in one of my own. Just be nice, give pets away for nothing to find out a few definite player names, study the patterns of who brags and when, study the program cheats that are used.
If good St. Nick’s lawyers are involved, then they might just be claiming that codex is a criminal organization under homeland security laws. Nice isn’t it, how corporate America got so many perks for supporting homeland security restrictions. Might even be that good St. Nick’s lawyers have a seizure order ready to go.

My, what an interesting hypothetical. I guess you are real lucky it is just a cute little yarn concocted for your amusement. Oh that Mr. Teel, he is a bull shooting artist, isn’t he. He’d have to be a right sadistic bastard to tell before the hammer came down, as early as tonight at midnight.

TL;DR.

Went back and read. Wish I hadn't.

Edited by cronus, 06 July 2012 - 05:59 AM.

[Nymh]

So about those friends with benefits...

[redlion]

I almost cringe to post again, but it's eating at me. Some things cannot stand.

Then they started being all mean.

Boo hoo. Someone didn't like your joke on the internet.

Don't forget we raised horses for a number of years, even had a retired race horse stallion. If that don't put things in prospective nothing will.

Who am I, your biographer? How could I possibly remember that you raised horses? And who is we in this equation? I honestly couldn't care less about the answers to any of those questions, I'm only illustrating the point that you're so tangential that you completely miss the point in almost every post.

Short and simple, I am your elder. Likely by more than a generation. So you have a right for me not to address you as my junior, why?

Because it's condescending and a form of discrimination. You don't hear me calling you geriatric. I'm a legal adult in any country throughout the world. I don't give a shit who you are, you don't address me that way. The Queen of England wouldn't so presume.

Secondly, you argued that terms were inaccurate, I countered that they are slight misquote of a pretty smart man, now you jump in with post hoc reasoning why what he said does not apply on a month without an "R" or only if National Socialist are involved.

Right. Well if you knew anything about Elie Wiesel, you'd get the reference to the holocaust. I guess it goes over the head of someone who googles a quote.

Further, the analysis I posted shows why no one should care that he said that. Anyone can say anything. Their awards don't make them right. And considering he's talking about broad, general terms, it's even harder for you to argue that his strict interpretation is that much more correct than the layman's definition. Love and hate are almost universally acknowledged as opposites. I don't care how many novellas you have presold [sic] you aren't going to change the definition of a word.

While you show some ability, and I like your skills enough to give you the honorary "son" when discussing your work, you still have far to go. That's fine, in a couple of decades you'll mature.

More condescension. You can't consistently type in complete sentences, yet you think you're worthy to bestow honors? And what an honor it is!

Lastly, you just had to attack my skill, and my near complete disregard of the rules of English. Some of it is age, some of it a style, some of it is I don't really care enough to check my own work. I've got an advance, and a novella that has been presold, and I shouldn't be wasting time in this place where ethics are twisted for personal gain at the expense of junior players.

Some of it could very well be age. You seem vastly younger than you say you are. Not caring is not really an excuse; if you're going to communicate, say something that people are going to understand. But style - style has nothing to do with your absolutely atrocious typing. Style would be using a literary device like alliteration, or stopping in the middle of a dialogue sentence... and adding an ellipsis for emphasis. Style is not ending a sentence with a comma. So back to middle school grammar with you.

[Sweeney]

(Patrick, he left after making some veiled threats about eradicating the parasites from the face of Neopia in a valiant effort to protect the honour of his daughter.)

[redlion]

Oh.

Good thing it was a drunk rant and not something I spent daylight hours typing then.

[Nymh]

I think they're great personally. It makes me feel wanted and special. I have a hard time not wanting more but I think that's only natural.

Luckily, jealousy sex is really good sex, because I am a pretty jealous person.