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[Romy]

Bernie is winning every single poll except the one that matters.

 

Sanders is a great candidate and I've donated to his campaign. That being said, he does not stand a chance against an established candidate like Clinton. This general election is going to be an extremely nasty one.

Sanders has been too soft on Clinton. Trump won't hold back like Sanders did.

 

The only thing that will bring about a Sanders win would be an indictment for Clinton. Anyone else who says otherwise is naive.

[Coops]

I don't agree. We lost by a lot in most of the southern states because Clinton has name recognition; a lot of southern Democrats like Bill. Bernie, I think, actually has more lopsided wins in his favor percentage wise, unfortunately most of those states did not give a lot of delegates (http://www.nytimes.c...nd-results.html). I think this is a very energized base and I don't think us losing right now has to do with laziness or apathy on our side, more just the fact that a year ago no one had any idea who Bernie Sanders was. It was a huge uphill battle against a very established politician, and I'm proud of how far we've come. Obviously, I wish we were winning, but we're doing what we can. 

 

What are you even trying to say here? You're hedging your bets by saying "oh yeah, I hope he wins, but he probably won't and it's actually inevitable that he'll fail." This is the kind of shit that I don't like, and sounds like the kind of voter Frizzle is talking about even though he sounds like one himself. "We should try to change things if we can?" What do you think we're doing? Obviously there are issues with our democracy, that's why we're trying to change it. Talking like that is so defeatist it makes me mad. If you aren't actively fighting for change, then you don't really believe in it.

Sorry that makes you mad, I can't change how you feel.

I AM actively fighting, I have donated, I've talked one on one with people, I tried to vote (but wasn't able thanks to Texas bullshit) but that doesn't mean I honestly believe he will win. That blind inspirational shit makes me mad. I'm being honest about how the political system is. I can be honest while still fighting. No amount of wishful thinking is going to suddenly get Bernie in. I think he did insight change and opened up a dialogue about how corrupt voting is, about how shitty our social services are, how wasteful our nation is and how much money moves votes. I'm satisfied if that's as far as he gets, someone else can come forward and continue the ball rolling, people like Elizabeth Warren. And when those people run, I'll vote for them, I'll donate to their campaigns. But don't even insinuate that I don't care just because I won't pick whichever of the lesser evils are likely to take the nominations, or because I don't fit your ideal of what a voter should be.

[Adam]

The only thing that will bring about a Sanders win would be an indictment for Clinton. Anyone else who says otherwise is naive.

100% this. I still don't understand how she's not in prison right now.

[Coops]

100% this. I still don't understand how she's not in prison right now.

Because rich people rarely go to prison. They have the resources to avoid prison.

[Junjie]

100% this. I still don't understand how she's not in prison right now.

Establishment figure connections.

[Adam]

Maybe it's time she gets treated the same way those Americans were at Benghazi. 

 

Totally not serious.^

 

But uhh...she really should be in prison. Hillary is the epitome of government corruption, and sadly there are people who are voting for her.

[Junjie]

I still think Trump is gonna win, partly cos of Hillary. I mean, his disapproval ratings are even higher, but he knows how to tackle public perception from what we've seen so far (and so do his advisors). Hillary...noott so much..

[talbs]

[Junjie]

Hahahaha, "Hillary-Satan2016.com"? XD

[Romy]

Maybe it's time she gets treated the same way those Americans were at Benghazi. 

 

Totally not serious.^

Damn. 

[DonValentino]

Sorry that makes you mad, I can't change how you feel.

I AM actively fighting, I have donated, I've talked one on one with people, I tried to vote (but wasn't able thanks to Texas bullshit) but that doesn't mean I honestly believe he will win. That blind inspirational shit makes me mad. I'm being honest about how the political system is. I can be honest while still fighting. No amount of wishful thinking is going to suddenly get Bernie in. I think he did insight change and opened up a dialogue about how corrupt voting is, about how shitty our social services are, how wasteful our nation is and how much money moves votes. I'm satisfied if that's as far as he gets, someone else can come forward and continue the ball rolling, people like Elizabeth Warren. And when those people run, I'll vote for them, I'll donate to their campaigns. But don't even insinuate that I don't care just because I won't pick whichever of the lesser evils are likely to take the nominations, or because I don't fit your ideal of what a voter should be.

 

I'm not asking you to believe he will win (I didn't say he would), or that you should vote for the lesser evils (because I won't be either). Being "honest" about the political system doesn't mean saying it's inevitable that we'll fail. Being honest means realizing the challenges and then facing them. Not admitting defeat isn't "blind inspirational shit," it isn't wishful thinking, it's fighting to change the system that we agree is built against him.

 

I'm sorry, I don't mean to attack you personally, I know we're on the same team. But I've been seeing a lot of defeatist attitudes lately from people (mostly from people who got into politics during this latest race) and it's exasperating trying to make these people realize it's not an overnight thing. We've come a long way to mobilize people and start the discussion about the direction we need to head in, and I don't want people to say it's inevitable that we'll fail because the system is corrupt.  

[Coops]

I'm not asking you to believe he will win (I didn't say he would), or that you should vote for the lesser evils (because I won't be either). Being "honest" about the political system doesn't mean saying it's inevitable that we'll fail. Being honest means realizing the challenges and then facing them. Not admitting defeat isn't "blind inspirational shit," it isn't wishful thinking, it's fighting to change the system that we agree is built against him.

 

I'm sorry, I don't mean to attack you personally, I know we're on the same team. But I've been seeing a lot of defeatist attitudes lately from people (mostly from people who got into politics during this latest race) and it's exasperating trying to make these people realize it's not an overnight thing. We've come a long way to mobilize people and start the discussion about the direction we need to head in, and I don't want people to say it's inevitable that we'll fail because the system is corrupt.  

@DonValentino I'm sorry. I did get defensive, primarily because I do care. 

 

But let me clarify better -- as with most online interactions, it's hard to tell what someone means necessarily.

 

I don't think Bernie will win the Dem nomination. But I don't think that's a failure. I mean, technically sure, but he has proven a grassroots campaign is a viable one. The fact that his campaign has fared so well, done the impossible and raised numbers and money the way he has is fucking amazing. He's also put a giant spotlight on money in politics. This is something that never made sense to me. And now, it isn't make sense to a fuckload of other Americans who previously didn't realize the extent of corruption money brings. He's illustrated the two-party system is trash, that democratic socialism is a thing and it needs to be a thing here for the well-being of our people, and he's proven that the Millennials have a voice in this nation. A powerful one at that.

 

The system is corrupt. And I don't think Bernie will win the nomination because of it. That's my opinion. But I don't think he will lose either, if that makes sense. Winning the nomination was only part of it, sure, but he's done a lot of what he set out to do. He has started something. I'll take that over nothing, any day of the week.

 

But I do understand your frustration and exasperation. It's valid to feel that way. I feel that way about the entire damn system, lol. Exasperated. 

[Kaddict]

I think everyone should vote for who they think the very best candidate for the job is, rather than whoever their party choose, or rather than who they think has a legitimate chance of winning. If everyone did that, I think the voice of the people would be listened to a bit more.

[Adam]

YOUR VOTE DOESN'T MATTER.

 

Oops, I said it.

[Romy]

I'm not asking you to believe he will win (I didn't say he would), or that you should vote for the lesser evils (because I won't be either). Being "honest" about the political system doesn't mean saying it's inevitable that we'll fail. Being honest means realizing the challenges and then facing them. Not admitting defeat isn't "blind inspirational shit," it isn't wishful thinking, it's fighting to change the system that we agree is built against him.

Literally every single empire in the world has or will fail. That's what Coops was referring to. It is a bit apathetic but not inaccurate.

 

 

I'm sorry, I don't mean to attack you personally, I know we're on the same team. But I've been seeing a lot of defeatist attitudes lately from people (mostly from people who got into politics during this latest race) and it's exasperating trying to make these people realize it's not an overnight thing. We've come a long way to mobilize people and start the discussion about the direction we need to head in, and I don't want people to say it's inevitable that we'll fail because the system is corrupt.  

 

The only reason why this movement has gained so much steam is because of Sanders. This discussion ends either with his Presidency or his failure to acquire it. The fact that you  believe that the movement will keep it's momentum and is idealistic.

 

It isn't an overnight thing but it sure won't last much longer than one.

[Kaddict]

Literally every single empire in the world has or will fail. That's what Coops was referring to. It is a bit apathetic but not inaccurate.

 

 

 

The only reason why this movement has gained so much steam is because of Sanders. This discussion ends either with his Presidency or his failure to acquire it. The fact that you  believe that the movement will keep it's momentum and is idealistic.

 

It isn't an overnight thing but it sure won't last much longer than one.

 

This reminds me of the Ron Paul campaign. He garnered lots of attention (not as much as Bernie, but lots of kids our age and internet users everywhere) and it swiftly died to nothing but an allusion in the flame war music video.

 

[NapisaurusRex]

Because they haven't found anything actually important or truly scandalous in the Benghazi hearings or email debacle. In fact, most voters don't care at all about either of these "scandals". You are probably overblowing the significance of these events due to your bias.

If someone in the military mishandles information, they get discharged and put in jail. If you're negligent with your children, you get put in jail. If you cause a security lapse at work, you get fired. She's gotten no punishment at all for being irresponsible where if 99.99% of the rest of the US did it with literally anything, there's consequences.

[Mishelle]

It's pretty unnerving how many connections there are to politicians and people named in the Panama papers. I can't believe massive worldwide money laundering and tax evasion isn't a bigger news story.

 

http://nypost.com/20...-panama-papers/

 

http://www.telesurtv...60511-0044.html

Edited by Mishelle, 13 May 2016 - 04:49 PM.

[Adam]

Because they haven't found anything actually important or truly scandalous in the Benghazi hearings or email debacle. In fact, most voters don't care at all about either of these "scandals". You are probably overblowing the significance of these events due to your bias.

I guess my 'bias' of not wanting American citizens murdered and raped is unjustified. How naive of you.

 

If someone in the military mishandles information, they get discharged and put in jail. If you're negligent with your children, you get put in jail. If you cause a security lapse at work, you get fired. She's gotten no punishment at all for being irresponsible where if 99.99% of the rest of the US did it with literally anything, there's consequences.

Thank you. Everyone in the DOD, and those who work in most government official positions must follow the Privacy Act of 1974. If a military member were to violate aforementioned act, they'll face Uniform Code of Military Justice [UCMJ], or judicial punishment. A civilian, in this case Hillary as former Secretary of State, should also fall under DOD rules, and face charges. She can't face UCMJ charges because she's obviously not in uniform, but she should still be charged as a criminal. 

 

Bottom line is that that sorry sack of asshole that ole Bill is married to should be in prison. 

[Padme]

Love the people who are VERY into political parties and essentially blindly follow a party system. The same people who cry out that something goes against their 'rights' or spout some founding father BS without knowing that some of the founding fathers had no desire to have political parties.

 

Political parties and especially a bi-partisan system don't advocate change or progress very well, imo. 

[Adam]

Love the people who are VERY into political parties and essentially blindly follow a party system. The same people who cry out that something goes against their 'rights' or spout some founding father BS without knowing that some of the founding fathers had no desire to have political parties.

 

Political parties and especially a bi-partisan system don't advocate change or progress very well, imo. 

America will never go away from a bipartisan system. People on either side of the political spectrum have their heads so far up their own asses that no one will ever come to an agreement on anything. There will never be a successful nominee from any party other than GOP or Democrat. America will fall some day because of it.

[Padme]

America will never go away from a bipartisan system. People on either side of the political spectrum have their heads so far up their own asses that no one will ever come to an agreement on anything. There will never be a successful nominee from any party other than GOP or Democrat. America will fall some day because of it.

 

 

 

RIP Amuricah

 

I love the people who really think a 3rd party candidate will win 'this time around.' 

 

Heard the same things before.

 

I'd be all for it but very unlikely.

[Adam]

 

 

RIP Amuricah

 

I love the people who really think a 3rd party candidate will win 'this time around.' 

 

Heard the same things before.

 

I'd be all for it but very unlikely.

As sad as it is, voting 3rd part is just a waste of a vote. Might as well vote for the less of the two evils. Unfortunately there are lesser of two evils -- they [Clinton and Trump] are both equally bad imo. 

[Mishelle]

I just filled out my mail in ballot today. I voted for Bernie for the primaries. I voted for Kamala Harris for senate because out of 34 peopleH. Fuji Shioura for US Representative because he wants to overturn citizens united and he hates both political parties too. 

[DonValentino]

are you kidding me with these news reports that Hillary has secured the nomination?